Rush Limbaugh Live Thread: Returns To the Airwaves - 12:00 EST!

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[rs79bm]

12:00 EST Monday, November 17th - Rush returns - Welcome Back!

[mrobison]

And I take issue with the evangelical zeal that many folks in recovery attach to their feelings for the 12 Step Program itself.

Only Christ heals people. Everything else just makes them think they are getting better, but only substitutes one addiction for another.

[BibChr]

Ditto that on Marta, though it concerns me if he hasn't mentioned her. He always has in the past, affectionately, if passingly.

Dan

[MontanaBeth]

Were you posting to me? Cause I was posting to Helms.

[Matchett-PI]

I heard them say on MSNBC that Rush will have Ann Coulter on his show today. I didn't check his web site to see if that is true.

[GeoPie]

Get over it. I used a power that worked through my AA group when I first started the program in 1987 (i was 14 at the time). It's been a Spiritual journey for me. Now I use Christ as my "Higher Power". If I had encountered you I would still be drunk and never found Christ. One of the problems with the born again movement is that they can be their own worse enemy. Comments and statements like yours push many people away. Maybe you should read "Common Ground". It would really help you help others.

[maryz]

Everyone walks around the grounds of the rehab places chain smoking.

Really? My sister has a friend with a son who's been into drugs. He was tossed out of court-ordered rehab for being caught smoking a cigarette.

[Lazamataz]

I posted this before I saw that cow. Now, I take it all back. You still have years of recovery ahead of you.

There's no LA (Lazamataz Anonymous).

I'm doomed to being me for the rest of my life.

(The Fly voice) help meeeeee...... help meeeeee......

[mrobison]

Everyone be aware of this post (#666). Is there a secret message here?

[JoeSchem]

but none of these concepts is compatible with Christianity, which has as its First Commandment, "You shall have no other gods before me."

Your argument would have prevented Saint Paul from speaking (in Acts 17) at the Areopagus about the altar inscribed to the unknown god, because, after all, the altar allowed for pagan interpretations. 12 step programs do point people in the right direction. They paint the supernatural with a sufficiently broad brush that people can go astray, but they do point in the right direction. It's up to Christians to support our faltering brothers and sisters -- and those who never were our brothers and sisters but can become so -- and guide them into a more proper understanding of the truth. Christian involvement in 12 step programs allows us to do that.

[cyborg]

I love the way fundies think they're helping people when I've met so many people turned off to Christ because of same fundamentalists. Sorry to use term 'fundies' to make people cringe but anyone who has had experience with fundies, knows what I'm talking about.

I'm still in recovery, continuing to recover and the best therapy other than today's Rush show, was free clinic at a church, so I'm not against christianity. I just don't like zealots.

[GeoPie]

I was a cd counselor. Some of the jouvi units prohibit smoking on grounds now (or if its a hospital locked unit). Many allow it...and AA and chain smoking often go hand in hand.

[cyborg]

don't forget the coffee :-)

[Greek]

He was in Tucson...

[Mudboy Slim]

"(Now if Rush was BS'ing about his need due to pain, then we are taking a whole other issue and we should treat him with a harsher view.) I do know people with no disks in their back and live life in pain. They have no life without medication and if that was Rush's situation, I understand how he could have gone to more and more drugs to relieve pain."

Rush has become an avid golfer--a killer sport for a bad back--so I wonder how much of this continued Oxycontin abuse is actually due to relieving the pain and how much is attributable to the benefits related to the drugs' characterization as "Hillbilly Heroin." In any event, he's probably gotta get used to living a life in some level of pain, and I hope he alters his lifestyle as required to make the pain tolerable.

FReegards...MUD

[ThePythonicCow]

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[riri]

I just don't like zealots

I hear you. Funny thing is the most zealous of the zealots I come across could see a neighbor bleeding on the side of the road and drive on past, unless ofcourse he belonged to the right church group.

[riri]

I really get from his show today that he was addicted for reasons other than pain use. Which I suspected all along. I think it may be why he started but I don't think it was why he continued use.

[johnb838]

Not saying this about you Blackie, but I wonder how many liberals sober up, take a good look around, and join the Republican party?

2.5 years here.

[Buggman]

Recovery" and "repentance" are polar opposites. One recovers from a disease (which doesn't require one to take personal responsibility for sin), but one repents of one's sin (which is the essence of taking personal responsibility).

Untrue. An overweight man who recovers from a heart attack has to "repent" of the lifestyle that led to his weight problem. A person recovering from a mental illness may not have to "repent" of that illness, but they do have to repent of the actions that exacerbate the illness, like denial, projection, and so on.

In this case, Rush was addicted to pain killers because of a back injury. He has to recover from the medical causes at the same time that he repents of the self-deceit and actions that he conciously took to feed and hide that addiction . . . and I think that he's done a marvelous job from what we can see.

I understand your concern about the possibility of removing the personal responsibility element, but that's not what I see happening here, or in any of the drug-recovery cases that I have personally known.

Now, my chief issue with your blanket tarring of all psychology as being of Freud and the devil is this: My youngest brother was recently diagnosed with bi-polar disorder and acute depression. You may have seen the prayer thread. He is adopted, so we have no way of knowing if the issues are genetic or whether the fact that his birth-mother tried to abort him with alchohol and every other drug she could get her hands on screwed with his brain chemestry.

Josh cannot repent of the chemical imbalance, whatever its cause. He is not responsible for it. However, he is responsible for taking an active participation in his own recovery, aided by several psychologists (at least one of which I know is a devout Christian) and a cocktail of anti-psychotics.

He came home for a visit this weekend. I had my first coherant conversation with him in months. He was happy, and while he obviously still has a long way to go, even in such a short period of time, I can see the improvement.

For you to take the talents and skills of the shrinks who are working with him and helping him to recover and ascribe them to some satanic plot to replace Christian pastors is beyond insulting and ignorant. It is tantamount to the Christian Science types who would call a doctor who was trying to remove an infected appendix the tool of Satan, and instead insist that the suffering patient tell them what sin they committed to cause them to become so ill, never mind that Luke was a doctor himself.

Are there places where psychiatric help is inappropriate and just a cover for sin? Absolutely. But to tar all psychiatry with the same brush is like tarring all surgery with the brush of breast implants.

[retrokitten]

Not saying this about you Blackie, but I wonder how many liberals sober up, take a good look around, and join the Republican party?

OMG!!! LOL!!!! That is quote of the day material!!