FOX News Channel's JFK: Case Not Closed

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[Destro]

JFK: Case Not Closed

Tuesday, October 28, 2003

On Sunday, Nov. 16, FOX News Channel will present a one-hour special commemorating the 40th anniversary of President Kennedy's assassination.

Join Greta Van Susteren for FOX News Channel's anniversary special — JFK: Case Not Closed .

One week after President John F. Kennedy (search) was assassinated, a nation-wide poll revealed that 62% of Americans believed a conspiracy was involved. And now, 40 years later? What do we believe?

A recent FOX News poll found that many Americans today do not believe Lee Harvey Oswald (search) was a lone gunman. And there may be some evidence to prove it...

President Kennedy's assassination may have turned Dealey Plaza (search) into the world's most famous crime scene, but in 1963 — crime scene investigation was not a sophisticated forensic science.

Cops made some surprising mistakes — mistakes that led to confusion for the investigators and fodder for conspiracy theorists.

Our special will examine the forensic evidence, the autopsy and the single bullet theory, including accounts from the people who were there.

You'll watch footage never before seen on TV and hear eyewitness testimony from people who've never spoken about it until now...

It's a one-hour special on American history that you don't want to miss... only on FOX News Channel.

[Brytani]

"The motion of his head was not due the impact of a bullet, and there wasn't a skull fragment found behind him"

If this is the case, what was Jackie chasing after on the back of the limo right after the fatal shot? A ghost?

[Happy2BMe]

"Johnson was one of the most effective Congressional leaders of all time and he knew where all the bones were buried. He bullied and threatened and arm-twisted Congress until he got his way."

All right then DAMMIT! Do it tomorrow in Dallas - You'd BETTER NOT MISS! Oh, and DON'T EVER CALL HERE AGAIN!!

[Brytani]

Jackie Kennedy testified to the Warren Commission that she did not remember climbing to the back of the car. From the Zapruder film you can clearly see her attemting to gather something off of the truck. However we will never know her true intention, we can only speculate. (I've never seen a credible source document her indicating anything else.)

However, the police officer riding behind the limo was plastered by blood and brain matter. He also testified it looked to him like Jackie was attempting to get something off of the trunk of the car.

It would be impossible for this motor cycle cop to be sprayed by remains if the shot had come from behind.

[mtbopfuyn]

The explanation given was that she was crawling out there to retrieve a piece of JFK's brain which had been blown backward out of the car.

The media spin has been she's either gathering brain matter or asking for help but it's always looked to me as if she's trying to flee or escape and the secret service guy (can't think of his name this morning) had to push her back into the car. It wouldn't have played well for the citizens if it was reported she had a natural flight reflex.

[sboyd]

That photograph is of the bottom of the bullet. The base or cap as it is often called. You need to read the paragraph below the picture. Seven wounds would have made that bullet, especially going through Connally's wrist into nothing but fragments.

[Shooter 2.5]

I noticed you didn't acknowledge Frame 313.

The FBI used Oswald's rifle to duplicate the shots. They didn't have a problem except they were worried about the firing pin.

The NRA was able to duplicate the shots with a different Carcano set up exactly like Oswald's.

8.1 seconds to shoot two shots and two reloads is easy if you know a tiny bit about rifles. A Boy Scout or Girl Scout could have done it.

[Austin Willard Wright]

IMHO, the endless threads on ballistics have reached a dead end. There have been many others on FR. What do people think about the other (less discussed) cloak and dagger aspects of the assassination such as the remarkable coicidence about 544 Camp Street!?

[mtbopfuyn]

OMG, the picture of the man in the doorway certainly looks like Oswald. I hadn't paid that close attention to it before. Even the shirt collar matches.

At the link, the pic of the assassin's view hit me immediately that it was wrong. It's so obvious it was taken from across the street. The view from the 6th floor (been there) would have given the assassin a side view and as the car travelled down into the curve would have given only a partial view of the rear and even that at an angle but no way a straight on back view. The 6th floor is also higher.

[DugwayDuke]

"If you still want to believe in a conspiracy, go right ahead! For me, the case is closed."

Of course you'll receive a ton of posts about how "Case Closed" doesn't close a case. Don't you understand that evidence disproving a conspiracy is proof of the conspiracy?

If there was a 'conspiracy', it was as Fox mentioned last night speaking of the autoposy. It was controlled to limit information about Kennedy's true health and to protect the family. Also, many in the government wanted to close the case rapidly in order not to destabilize relations with the Soviet Union. These 'conspiracies' existed and influenced the investigation providing fodder for the real conspiracists. The fact that these 'conspiracies' existed does not mean that what they ultimately claimed, single gun man - Oswald, is untrue.

[verity]

I no longer care!

[mtbopfuyn]

Yes, the 6th floor is now a small museum. It's worth the visit if only to stand at the window. The museum doesn't necessarily claim Oswald was the lone gunman. It mainly contains various photos and comments from the players. There are even the controversial exhibits such as the pic of Oswald holding the gun but the shadows being wrong. While standing at the window, scout out the easiest shot and then sight the path of the car. It's an eye opener.

[Shooter 2.5]

I'm still trying to state the obvious. I'm arguing with people who don't even know where Kennedy was sitting in the limo.

[Austin Willard Wright]

That's fine....It just seems like a dead horse issue, but then I've been known to beat a few of those myself.

[Shooter 2.5]

It can be hilarious.

There's one guy on the internet who thinks an assassin was hiding in a tree. One guy thinks the umbrella man had a gun in the umbrella. The sewer people are pretty funny.

There aren't much different from a Freeper who thinks Oswald could stand in a doorway without no one noticing him. I mean how many times does it take for Lovelady or his co-workers to say, "Hey, that's me. Get over it".

It's funny as hell.

[Shooter 2.5]

Kennedy was hit one inch to the right of his spine, 5 1/2 inches below his Mastoid Process by a 161 grain bullet going 2000 feet a second from 44 yards away.

[mtbopfuyn]

You explained the 6th floor much better than I did. Yes, it's rather spooky especially putting yourself in the gunman's place (we were able to walk about 3 feet from THE window though could lean out the window on the right but that was years ago). It was like being hit with a baseball bat. In my gut, Oswald didn't do it or at least not alone. People do need to visit the area to understand the unique lay of the land, the proximity of the hot spots, and to set it straight in their own minds.

[MeekOneGOP]

It's a one-hour special on American history that
you don't want to miss... only on FOX News Channel.

Whoops ! I missed it !! ...

Article from The Dallas Morning News ...

http://www.dallasnews.com/dmn/news/stories/111603dnmetjfkyouth.445ea.html

John Kennedy, superstar

Ask not what youth know about him

09:38 PM CST on Saturday, November 15, 2003

By ASHLEY POWERS / The Dallas Morning News

The grainy, black-and-white face of Lee Harvey Oswald – mouth frozen in a perfect O as he's shot – is pimpled with reflections from a disco ball. Lording over the dance floor like a portrait of a family patriarch, his poster-size image sometimes is mistaken for actor Bruce Willis, bartenders say.

Mostly, he's just ignored. Youthful eyes skim past the images that dot the Ruby Room, an annex to a bar on Lower Greenville Avenue.

A plate reading "In Memoriam: John F. Kennedy, 1917-1963" perches between bottles of Heineken and Coors Light. The outline of a gun, the word "Ruby" written below it, glows in motel-red neon.

Barbara Davidson / DMN

Will Schantz, 23, dances under a portrait of Lee Harvey Oswald at The Ruby Room in Dallas.

"It's got that historical, back-in-the past kind of feel. It's like everything you learned in school," says Rocio Gray, 21, cuddling on a black leather couch with her date, a boyish-looking car salesman.

Click here for entire article

[norton]

Kennedy was in fact closer to today's pubbies than to anything found on the left.
I have my own reasons for disliking (!) him but the real crunch in my mind was the absolute total media and party campaign to make him appear to have been other than he was.
That campaign continues to this day and you'll see lots of it on this anniversary.

From the moment of his death the party became overtly anti-american. The protesters worked on both parties but were accepted by the dems, they trashed their own last FDR liberal in order to make an icon of JFK, and they have never shown the slightest sign of wanting back into the mainstream. For that reason alone I've always considered his death to have been a coup within the party, one that Johnson might have been aware of but not responsible for.

Its only gotten worse since that time; FDR was a socialist and nearly a dictator but he had war as an excuse. JFK helped to create a war for the same excuse although less of a socialist. Johnson was junked by his own people and since then its been pretty much a lock-step parade of dangerous minds.

[Austin Willard Wright]

If all the folks alleged to have been on the grassy knoll had been there, the carnage would have been worse than D-Day. I do not not believe in a conspiracy theory but I do think that the Ferrie/Bannister/Oswald connection (especially the coicidence of 544 Camp Street) is not easily explained away. That, to me, is a more fruitful line of inquiry.

[mtbopfuyn]

Missed the show. Did anyone mention the new book by Barr McClellan

You didn't miss much. Greta's show was much ado about woulda, shoulda, coulda with today's investigative standards which doesn't solve anything and isn't relevant. At the end of the hour I was still waiting for the earth shattering new evidence. The old PBS, "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" and last night's History Channel shows are much better. About the book, I wouldn't line the bird cage with it.