Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 11-13

Various | November 10, 2003 | sweetliberty

[sweetliberty]

TERRI'S FIGHT (Thread 7 - November 11-13)

Link back to thread 6 - (Nov.8-10) Link back to thread 5 - (Nov. 5-7) Link back to thread 4 - (Nov. 3-4) Link back to thread 3 (Nov. 1-2) Link back to thread 2 - (Oct. 30-31) Link back to thread 1 - (Oct. 29)

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Contained in Thread 6:

*Correction on thread 6. In the heading where it says, "contained in thread 4," it should read, "contained in thread 5."

Contact information for Judge Greer, probate documents listed for Terry and Michael Schiavo, article from April, 2001 when Terri's feeding tube was ordered by Judge Quesada to be put back in pending deposition of Cindy Shook Brashers, link to clip of Steve Schiavo calling in to Glenn Beck's program, link to information on Schiavo/Centonze property value, link to transcript of On the Record interview with Ken Connor, link to American Patriot Friends Network, link to hospicepatients.org website, article about the testimony of Trudy Capone, link to post about co-sponsor of Terri's Bill in the House, Frank Attkisson giving legal reasons for the need for intervention on Terri's behalf, link to Hospice Patients Alliance website, statement that 9 neurologists have said that Terri is NOT in a PVS, Washington, D.C.contact information via email/fax, summary of legal expenses that Schiavo paid out of the money awarded to him for Terri’s care and rehabilitation, also see chart here for summary of legal expenses, This Round to Terri, But Fight Not Over article in Catholic Standard & Times (10/23/2003), another article, Schindlers Wonder What Happened the Night Terri Collapsed form Catholic Standard and Times:, and a serious question that is raised and needs to be researched.

Also in thread 6 (breaking it down into 2 paragraphs due to the length): information on holdings of Jodi Centonze, was Terri beaten(?), liability claims against Terri’s doctors, chronology of cases against Michael Schiavo, Schiavo v. Bush, who’s paying hospice(?), some quotes from George Felos’ book here and here, Jodi Centonze insurance connections, link to Village Voice article: Lying about Terri Schiavo, federal prohibition of use of funds for assisted suicide and euthanasia, the model husband according to George Felos (also see addition here), findings of Florida medical board on Dr. Hammersfahr and some facts about Judge Greer regarding this case.

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Click on pic for Terri's website.

This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

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[nicmarlo]

And here is the very article, as originally posted on the internet, which one is able to access through the "WayBack Machine."

http://web.archive.org/web/20010523160740/http://www.tampatrib.com/FloridaMetro/MGA44F7WJMC.html

[Krodg]

But if as some say, he has another child from a relationship that existed prior to Terri's collapse, that fact would argue against his claim to having been, from the start, only a loving and devoted husband.

It would prove him a liar once again, and add to all we have that speaks against him.

You seem to believe that they've always had access to Michael's private life....I find that hard to believe considering they have no access to their daughter's. In the beginning they believed he loved her and they didn't pursue any information to the contray. Why would they?

But either the Schindlers don't want to use it, or it's not true. Personally I feel it's not true, because it's been 13 years and all we really have is an accusation from someone who is suddenly "not at liberty" to say any more.

Have you considered the possibility that it is true but they don't have proof that a court would consider? Think about this...there are two women who have come forward, both have been harrassed,they're so afraid they sign affidavits but won't go to court...now we have a woman with 1 or 2 children and no one hears a word from her (and you wonder why??)

[Wampus SC]

"Not so complicated to understand. Felos is a pathological liar it seems, and when he isn't lying outright, he is using the Clintonian version of the dictionary of liberalese."

As in lying doesn't count as lying unless it's under oath?

(Subtitle: Lying liars and the lying lies they lie about lying.)

[Wampus SC]

Oh, I know all about that link. :)

[Windshark]

You're supposed to be at work!

This is not going to look good on your resume....

[Krodg]

But if as some say, he has another child from a relationship that existed prior to Terri's collapse, that fact would argue against his claim to having been, from the start, only a loving and devoted husband.

It would prove him a liar once again, and add to all we have that speaks against him.

You seem to believe that they've always had access to Michael's private life....I find that hard to believe considering they have no access to their daughter's. In the beginning they believed he loved her and they didn't pursue any information to the contray. Why would they?

But either the Schindlers don't want to use it, or it's not true. Personally I feel it's not true, because it's been 13 years and all we really have is an accusation from someone who is suddenly "not at liberty" to say any more.

Have you considered the possibility that it is true but they don't have proof that a court would consider? Think about this...there are two women who have come forward, both have been harrassed, they're so afraid they sign affidavits but won't go to court...now we have a woman with 1 or 2 children and no one hears a word from her (and you wonder why??)

[sweetliberty]

Oh, the link wasn't for you specifically. Just trying to keep everything referenced on the thread.

[Graymatter]

I read the news article (Tampa Trib, 5/10/01). It refers to Capone's "statements" (not clear whether this means statements in affidavit, and where IS that affidavit?)

We have seen affidavits of nurses on terrisfight.org. Affidavits of doctors. I see no mention of Ms. Capone on terrisfight.org.

It may be so, that MS has other children. Wouldn't surprise me. But where are these people who say they know? Where is Capone's affidavit? If the Schindlers aren't making an issue of it, perhaps they have good reason. The child's privacy and peace, if a child there is? Or the legal consequences to the people who made false claims, if there isn't a child?

I am very leery of unsubstantiated rumor, and this one has been unsubstantiated for about thirteen years. I am very leery, too, of people who are at liberty to say something one day, and not at liberty to say it the next day.

If I have made some unaccountable omission and Capone's affidavit is floating around, please give me a link.

[sweetliberty]

"You're supposed to be at work!

This is not going to look good on your resume...."

HEY! I WAS at work! I only had to work till 1:30.

[Krodg]

I'm sorry I didn't use the 'view replies' feature here..

As to reading a document with Pearse's findings (not just articles) I don't know where to find them. I am searching.

[nicmarlo]

It refers to Capone's "statements" (not clear whether this means statements in affidavit, and where IS that affidavit?)

The beginning of the article in question defines the statements to which it is referring; hence, it is "understood" that that definition applies to the rest of the article in question, i.e., the statements to which it is referring when writing their article are "Trudy Capone's sworn statements."

[Graymatter]

>>Maybe one of the more adept database searchers can turn up something.

Maybe I'm not one of those, but I've tried. I can't find any documentation of births or child support. Neither has anyone else. There's no hint of these children (prior to Centonze's involvement with MS) on terrisfight.org. The court documents are said to be public record. If so, these children aren't mentioned in court.

[Krodg]

sorry for the double post

[nicmarlo]

See also, Capone's affidavit has been filed with the Pinellas County Court in the case of SCHINDLER ROBERT (Plaintiff) vs. SCHIAVO MICHAEL (Defendant) :

you may find it listed at this post: 05/09/01 ... AFFIDAVIT OF TRUDY CAPONE

Which you may access directly at the court at this link: Pinellas County Public Records web site

[sweetliberty]

Thanks for posting the links, nic. I'm too tired to do much of anything this evening and this cat of mine wouldn't let me take a nap when I got home. I'm in the mood for a Zot thread. Where are the trolls when you're in the mood for one?

[pickyourpoison]

I read where Felos had been connected to the National Association of Securities Dealers.
Anyone know what his connection was?

[nicmarlo]

yw, sweetliberty. Sorry you're tired. As far as zotting and trolls, they'll be showing up, plenty.

[sweetliberty]

ZOT threads are such fun.

[Krodg]

There's no hint of these children (prior to Centonze's involvement with MS) on terrisfight.org.

Terrisfight.org is the main site for Terri but it is not the only source available. Are you saying that if it's not posted there, it is not true? There are many records and interviews not listed on that site..but they exist.

The court documents are said to be public record. If so, these children aren't mentioned in court.

I don't know whether or not you have tried to find records through your own research, but not all records are available to the public. Gee, I want to sue because Michael's SSN was crossed out and I have a right to know.

As I said earlier, not all of the info was available to the Schindlers from the beginning..now they are limited as to what they can present.

[nicmarlo]

Hennessy referred to marketing materials distributed by Felos in which he lists some of the professional and social organizations in which he holds membership.

"A member of the Florida Bar and Clearwater Bar Association, Felos served as a member of the Clearwater Bar Appellate Law Committee, as governor of the American Hellenic Education Progressive Association (AHEPA), and as chair of numerous National Association of Securities Dealers arbitration panels," the document states.

http://www.cnsnews.com/Culture/Archive/200309/CUL20030917c.html




Marketing Materials Distributed by Felos:
http://www.cnsnews.com/pdf/2003/felosflyer.pdf