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The Facts About The Smoking Ban. If you're a business owner or not, this is a must read!
The Facts Online ^ | 11-01-03 | Dave Hitt

Posted on 11/06/2003 7:28:30 AM PST by SheLion

Every company's greatest assets are its customers, because without customers there is no company.
- Michael LeBoeuf

Businesses Harmed by Smoking Bans

Anti-smoking organizations insist that bans are somehow good for people in hospitality businesses. This chart shows otherwise. These businesses have lost a significant portion of their business as a direct result of smoking bans. Many are closed. Many that are still open have told us they doubt they'll survive much longer.

Most of this information comes directly from businesses that have contacted me or my colleagues. Some comes from newspaper articles. Blank spaces in the chart represent data that is unavailable, or that doesn't apply. (For instance, a distributor doesn't receive tips, and many owner-operators of small taverns don't have any employees other than themselves and family members.)


Business Type Of
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Closed? Business
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Crocodile Cafe Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Tempe AZ
Pooch's Easy Street Billiards Pool Hall Closed 100% 100% Tempe AZ
Laurel Bowl Bowling Alley Closed 100% 100% San Luis Obispo CA
385 league bowlers quit when the smoking ban went into effect, with a loss of $200,000. Laurel Bowl had been in business for 37 years before the ban.
Alexander Mackenzie Inn Hotel Not Yet 92% 16 Fort St. John CAN
"Since we were `beaten' into compliance by the WCB, our business has dropped in the lounge from $1,000 a day to $80. "
Beacon Hill Arms Tavern Closed 100% 100% Ottawa CAN
Dave O'Connor, who successfully ran Ottawa's Beacon Hill Arms pub for nine years, said the ban forced him out of business. "From September to February, we lost close to $80,000 in sales"
Bud's Place Tavern Not Yet 23% Cambrage CAN
Gardeli's Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Castlegar CAN
Hemingway's Bar/Restaraunt Not Yet 40% 6 Ottawa CAN
MacKenzie Lounge Tavern Not Yet 80% Yellowknife CAN
Mingles Coffee Shoppe Coffee Shop Closed 100% 100% Kitchener CAN
Rupert Pub Tavern Closed 100% 100% Prince Rupert CAN
Sky Garden Restaurant Closed 100% 100% 6 Ottawa CAN
"It was 100% because of the bylaw. Sales dropped 50%. Our cups of coffee were down 400 to 500 a day, our meals 20 to 30 a day."
The Patch Tavern Not Yet 70% St. Albert CAN
Tubbys Pizza Pizza Parlor Not Yet 20% 2 Crescentwood CAN
Back Stage Cafe Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% 20 Wilmington DE
Coach House Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% 8 Wilmington DE
Just Mugs Saloon Tavern Not Yet 33% Bear DE
Naamans Cafe Restaurant Closed 100% 100% 8 Wilmington DE
Elks #1795 Lodge (Private Club) Not Yet 40% 22% Fort Walton FL
"Charity money is down 45%. Our Charities are Kids of Florida and the Veterans. That is who is really getting hurt the most by this!"
Elks #2256 Lodge (Private Club) Not Yet 20% 30% Pensacola Beach FL
"We've lost 70 members because of the ban"
Elks #2273 Lodge (Private Club) Not Yet 60% 60% 1 Plantation FL
Melons Bar & Grill Bar/Restruant Not Yet 50% Port Charlotte FL
The Falls Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Naples FL
"We lost 70 percent of our income," Renzello said. "The law put us out of business." 90 percent of her customers were smokers.
Bart's Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Louisville CO
Bart's had been in operation for nearly 30 years.
Gold Mine Restaraunt Bar/Restaraunt Not Yet 50% 50% 2 Fall River MA
"There should be places for both the smoker and nonsmoker. I do not smoke but you are killing our business!!! "
Buffalo Wings and Beer Bar/Restruant Not Yet 50% Gaithersburg MD
Gentleman Jim's Restaurant Not Yet 40% Gaithersburg MD
J.J. Muldoon's Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 20% Gaithersburg MD
Middlebrook Restaurant and Lounge Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 50% Germantown MD
"I'm so bitter today because I have worked too hard to keep this business going. It's just not fair."
Pelican Pete's Restaurant Not Yet 60% Germantown MD
Tommy Joe's Restaurant Restruant Not Yet 30% Bethesda MD
Nutshell Tavern Tavern Closed 100% 100% Biddeford ME
Village Variety Closed 100% Fryeburg ME
Grandma's Restaraunt Not Yet 33% Cloquet MN
Perkins Restaraunt Not Yet 26% Duluth MN
Aessa Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 35% 6 New York NY
Argyle's EasyStreet Tavern Tavern Not Yet 12% Cortland NY
Athens Cafe Restaurant Not Yet 55% 10 Astoria NY
Blessed Sacrament Church Bingo Not Yet 50% Albany NY
Brazen Head Pub Tavern Not Yet 40% Monroe NY
Brown Shanty Tavern Not Yet 20% 1 Watertown NY
Champions Billiards Cafe Brew Pub/Pool Hall Not Yet 33% Parkville NY
Chili American Legion Post 1830 Private Club Not Yet 70% Scottsville NY
Coleman's Irish Pub Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 19% 4 Syracuse NY
Crossroads Steak House Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Kennedy NY
Delmar Sportsman's Tavern Tavern Not Yet 30% 1 Massena NY
"We had hoped...nonsmokers who haven't been frequenting taverns due to the smoke-filled air would make up for at least some of the financial loss. Unfortunately, at least in our place, this has most definitely not happened. Our sales are at an all time low"
Desperado's Tavern Not Yet 90% Wallkill NY
"I can count on my fingers the people who don't smoke who come in here. The regulars say they won't come."
Dodesters Tavern Not Yet 9% Syracuse NY
Eagle Beverage Company Distributor Not Yet 25% N/A Oswego NY
"Deliveries to pubs and taverns have decreased substantially, greater than 25 percent."
Edigan's Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Binghamton NY
End Zone Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 30% 1 Liverpool NY
Euzkadi Restaurant Not Yet 50% New York NY
Fiddler's Green Tavern Closed 100% 100% New York NY
We have just lost too many customers to this law, which I did not vote for, bar owners did not vote for, bartenders did not vote for, and the public did not vote for."
Finish Line Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 40% 2 Bellerose NY
Fountain Bowl Bowling Alley Not Yet 40% N/A 8 Jamestown NY
Golden Rail Ale House Tavern Not Yet 75% Newburgh NY
Harry's Hanover Square Bar/Restaraunt Closed 100% 100 New York NY
"Overnight, we lost 60 percent of our evening bar trade. For the bar, it was the difference in profit and loss. Sales of expensive cigars had been almost as important as the sales of Scotch" Harry's had been in business for more than thirty years
Holmes & Watson's Tavern Not Yet 30% Troy NY
Hotel McDonald Hotel Not Yet 70% Bath NY
Just One More Tavern Not Yet 30% Bath NY
Liberty Lanes Bowling Not Yet 27% Camden NY
Mama Lena's Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Binghamton NY
Mama Lena's had been in business for more than 40 years.
Mel's Place Tavern Not Yet 78% 100% Falconer NY
"When we bought this place, we throught we were buying our American Dream. We ran it successfully for 10 years. Now the government is stripping us from making a living. "
Middleport Inn Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% 13 Middleport NY
"This damn state really knows how to kill people's dreams."
Millennium Restaurant Not Yet 40% 3 New York NY
Nibsy's Pub Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 18% Syracuse NY
Rafferty's Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 35% 2 Syracuse NY
Richard's Ole Timer Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 17% 1 Clay NY
Roesch's Tavern Tavern Closed 100% 100% 5 New York NY
This had been a family business for more than a century
Salingers Tavern Not Yet 35% 2 Rochester NY
Sevens Bar Tavern Not Yet 10% Malone NY
Shamrock Tavern Tavern Not Yet 50% Oswego NY
"It's not right. Our livelihood is being taken away."
Slade Restaurant Not Yet 40% New York NY
Slick Willie's Billiard Hall Not Yet 25% Tonawanda NY
Stumble Inn Tavern Closed 100% 100% Champlain NY
Taylor's Trackside Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 50% Remsen NY
Temple Israel Bingo Not Yet 50% Albany NY
According to Herb Holland, some of the regulars told volunteers that they would abstain from playing bingo, to protest the smoking ban. He hasn't seen them since.
The Lilly Pad Tavern Closed 100% 100% Falconer NY
The Lodge at the Lake Inc Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 50% 1 Broadalbin NY
The Loft Tavern Not Yet 30% Frewsburg NY
"Our town has no attractions to draw in outsiders. We have only locals to rely on as patrons and 95% of them smoke. It will be worse when the snow sets in."
The Roadhouse Tavern Not Yet 40% Brewster NY
Thompson Road Tavern Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 25% Syracuse NY
Village Tavern Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 10% Marcellus NY
Bliss' Steak Ranch Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Eugene OR
Closed after 32 years in business
Doc's Pad Tavern Closed 100% 100% 24 Eugene OR
"Let's face it, the economy is horrible. But for us specifically, the smoking ban was the knockout punch." The Olsen family had owned Doc's for 16 years.
Max's Tavern Tavern Closed 100% 100% Eugene OR
The Peacock Tavern Not Yet 40% Corvallis OR
Connor owned the Peacock for years - and says it was the ban that caused him to sell the bar. He says business gross fell from $1.5 million in 1997, the year before the ban went into effect, to $900,000 last year.
China One Restaurant Closed 100% 100 Round Rock TX


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To: TheOtherOne
You lose people like me with your all or nothing positions.

There is a history behind the all or nothing position. The proponents of these bans insist on no compromise at all. they rely on lies and deceit, back door wheeling and dealing and out right back stabbing.

I don't like having an all or nothing attitude but that is exactly what has been forced upon these business owners by the antis and their bought and paid for politicians on both sides of the aisle.

I've been dealing with these things since at least 1988 and although I have seen a lot - I know I haven't seen it all when it comes to the lows to which the antis will stoop to force their will on everyone else.

Since only about 25% of the population smokes, if there was such a high demand for non-smoking don't you think smart busines people would go that way???? One sports bar/restaurant I know of in Dover lost about 50% of it's regular happy hour clientele BEFORE the ban went into effect, after the manager was quoted in the paper stating the ban wouldn't hurt his business because his customers didn't come in there to smoke. He had never polled any of his regular customers about it. over the courseof a couple of weeks I paid attention to how many people were sitting at the bar (not in the bar too difficult) Of the 25 people that could comfortably sit at the bar the average was a steady 80% smokers.

41 posted on 11/06/2003 8:36:33 AM PST by Gabz (Smoke-gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - SWAT'EM)
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To: CSM
The owner should be able to refuse access to that property to anyone they wish. I think they should refuse access to all Anti's and nanny needers!

IIRC, restaurant owners in Pueblo Colorado did just that to the members of the city Council who were supporting a ban. Apparently it worked!!!

42 posted on 11/06/2003 8:41:49 AM PST by Gabz (Smoke-gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - SWAT'EM)
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To: StriperSniper
That tagline is the best ever. I'm still laughing.

Butt bump for all victims of governmental meddling.

Not that they need another one.

43 posted on 11/06/2003 8:46:35 AM PST by ohmage
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To: StriperSniper
Rockefeller Must Resign!

Alas! I have to run ERRANDS again! Damn! But I WILL catch up in a few hours. Bare with me and save my SEAT in here!!!!


44 posted on 11/06/2003 8:46:36 AM PST by SheLion (Curiosity killed the cat BUT satisfaction brought her back!!!)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Anti-smoking activists are not JUST busybodies, but liars, too.

You are correct.

And their lies keep getting bigger and bigger.

During the debating of the smoking ban in Delaware one of the more well known antis, Joe cherner, had a letter printed in one of the local papers and claimed his location to be Wilmington, DE. All well and good, but he's a New York City resident who fled the city with his lover and family and have been residing in FRANCE since shortly after 9/11/01. But no one at the paper called him on it nor would the paper print any of the numerous letters they received correcting that little tidbit.

Another prominent anti, stanton Glantz, had a very long opinion piece prominently printed in that same paper on the front page of a Sunday opinion section. In it he claimed that a person putting out anti-ban brochures and bumper stickers was a former tobacco lobbyist. That came as a bit of a shock to the person putting out the info - he owns a printing company and was doing it on his own time and his only ties to the tobacco industry was that he was a smoker. His letter of correction to the newspaper was heavily editted and inserted in the paper on a tuesday or a Thursday.

These people are evil and their deceptiveness and out right lies need to be exposed for what they are.

45 posted on 11/06/2003 8:52:40 AM PST by Gabz (Smoke-gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - SWAT'EM)
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To: SheLion
Bump. Keep up the good work, She.
46 posted on 11/06/2003 8:53:16 AM PST by Grit (Tolerance for all but the intolerant...and those who tolerate intolerance etc etc)
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To: SheLion
Anti-smoking laws are not about smoking. The intent of all smoking/tobacco laws is to get someone elected, or someone reelected to a local or state political office. Nothing more. Those who don't smoke vote more than those who smoke.
47 posted on 11/06/2003 9:01:20 AM PST by elbucko
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To: SheLion
As a radid anti-smoker I refuse to eat where I am exposed to smoke. I do not like the smell and I am alergic to the smoke. It causes me to cough for an hour after someone without consideration exhales the nasty smoke out of their lungs into my lungs. I have homes in FL and DE and live 250 days a year in my smokeless RV. My wife and I eat a minumum of two meals a day at resturants while we travel throughout the south. That $50.00 a day goes to a resturant that has a separate no smoking area. I do not eat fast food, I spend money on Outback, Longhorn, Olive garden etc. I've never eaten in a Steak and Ale because just the smell of the dingy interior makes me cough. I've never sat at bar in my life because of the impolite, non-considerate smokers. The resturants which have no smoking get my money, the ones which allow smoking don't period.It's a 75-25 majority against the stupid addition.
Strap your three kids in the back seat, Mom and Dad light up, close the windows and enjoy!!!

48 posted on 11/06/2003 9:06:50 AM PST by hotshot
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To: ohmage
Thanks.

Here's a story I found this morning I'm sure you will appreciate:

Citizens 'Mugged' by the State

49 posted on 11/06/2003 9:09:13 AM PST by StriperSniper (All this, of course, is simply pious fudge. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: SheLion
Could I get a link to the info in that post? Thanks!
50 posted on 11/06/2003 9:09:44 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: hotshot
What the heck is your point? It is clear you don't like being around smoke. It is clear that you have exercised your freedom to make consumer choices. Prior to the bans you were doing just fine with both. Are you supportive of the infringement on private property rights or are you against them?
51 posted on 11/06/2003 9:11:39 AM PST by CSM (Moose Flatulence, MF for short is a bain on our future. Stop the MF today!!! (Flurry, 11/06/2003))
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To: Gabz
I don't like having an all or nothing attitude but that is exactly what has been forced upon these business owners by the antis and their bought and paid for politicians on both sides of the aisle.

I heard the host of a local (Boston) Saturday a.m. talk show say that the reason MA Senate President Travaglini is pushing for a statewide smoking ban is that he's getting it from constituents in his district who own restaurants (district includes North End - Italian, lots of eateries) that they're losing business because of the Boston ban. They're using the "level playing field" ploy -- d'uh, wasn't it already a level playing field before Boston introduced its ban?

Governor Romney (R) has said he prefers local option and won't say what he'll do when the bill gets to him, but he doesn't always show any backbone.

52 posted on 11/06/2003 9:18:00 AM PST by maryz
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To: hotshot
It is your choice to not patronize establishments that permit smoking.

It should also be the choice of the owner if he would prfer to cater to you or to a different type of clientele.

If there is a 75/25 split where has the demand been for more non-smoking establishments?????

I have nothing against an owner having a non-smoking establishment, and have patronized many. My problem is the use of force to MAKE an establishment non-smoking even in direct opposition to the wishes of the owner of a private establishment. You seem to find the forcing of private business by government to cater to your wishes to be a good thing. I do not.

By your own words you obviously do not spend much time in your house in Delaware, so probably know little about the true politics behind the insidious ban there. I lived there full time for 21 years all of them involved in dealing with politics, including such things as smoking bans. fortunately I no longer am subjected to those insidious laws except on the occasions I choose to visit family and friends. But believe you me - I am still working hand in hand with many of th bar and restaurant owners to make changes to the ban.

As to your nasty comments at the end - I will leave them alone. They speak for themselves.
53 posted on 11/06/2003 9:19:04 AM PST by Gabz (Smoke-gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - SWAT'EM)
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To: hotshot
The resturants which have no smoking get my money, the ones which allow smoking don't period

Good. That's the way it should be. Or, would you rather have Uncle Sammy get involved and make all these little decisions for you? That seems to be what most anti-smokers want.

54 posted on 11/06/2003 9:19:07 AM PST by Chad Fairbanks (The Truth is to see The Gift)
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To: CSM
My point is that I have a large economic impact to restaurants as a non-smoker. I spent $20,000.00 in restaurants in 2002. I haven't cooked a meal in years. Could it be coincidental that maybe smoker can't afford $4.00 a pack cigs and $4.00 beers and that is why a bar goes under? Use equitable data for suppositions before distortions.
Let's suppose that I have TB and any exhale from my lungs could cause you to get TB, do I have a property right to sit behind you and cough? Do you have to sit there and be exposed?
55 posted on 11/06/2003 9:26:06 AM PST by hotshot
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To: SheLion
Exellent data, darn scary too......where are all those non-smokers. ??
56 posted on 11/06/2003 9:28:39 AM PST by Great Dane (You can smoke just about everywhere in Denmark.)
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To: SheLion
One more......Don Cherry's sports bar in Ottawa Canada, if it's already on the list, I missed it.
57 posted on 11/06/2003 9:33:06 AM PST by Great Dane (You can smoke just about everywhere in Denmark.)
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To: Gabz
I eat at Bonanza in Delmar, Roadhouse in Fruitland, English's in Salisbury, Golden Corral in Seaford, Britts in Laurel, Phillips in OC all in Md and DE none of these businesses have closed of are hurting.
58 posted on 11/06/2003 9:35:41 AM PST by hotshot
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To: TheOtherOne
#17........ I don't think they should have to pay, they should however be allowed to post a smoking or no-smoking sign.
59 posted on 11/06/2003 9:35:43 AM PST by Great Dane (You can smoke just about everywhere in Denmark.)
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To: TheOtherOne
#32... It is not public business, it's private business inviting the public in... it dosen't force anyone.
60 posted on 11/06/2003 9:44:06 AM PST by Great Dane (You can smoke just about everywhere in Denmark.)
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