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The Facts About The Smoking Ban. If you're a business owner or not, this is a must read!
The Facts Online ^ | 11-01-03 | Dave Hitt

Posted on 11/06/2003 7:28:30 AM PST by SheLion

Every company's greatest assets are its customers, because without customers there is no company.
- Michael LeBoeuf

Businesses Harmed by Smoking Bans

Anti-smoking organizations insist that bans are somehow good for people in hospitality businesses. This chart shows otherwise. These businesses have lost a significant portion of their business as a direct result of smoking bans. Many are closed. Many that are still open have told us they doubt they'll survive much longer.

Most of this information comes directly from businesses that have contacted me or my colleagues. Some comes from newspaper articles. Blank spaces in the chart represent data that is unavailable, or that doesn't apply. (For instance, a distributor doesn't receive tips, and many owner-operators of small taverns don't have any employees other than themselves and family members.)


Business Type Of
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Closed? Business
Lost
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Jobs
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Crocodile Cafe Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Tempe AZ
Pooch's Easy Street Billiards Pool Hall Closed 100% 100% Tempe AZ
Laurel Bowl Bowling Alley Closed 100% 100% San Luis Obispo CA
385 league bowlers quit when the smoking ban went into effect, with a loss of $200,000. Laurel Bowl had been in business for 37 years before the ban.
Alexander Mackenzie Inn Hotel Not Yet 92% 16 Fort St. John CAN
"Since we were `beaten' into compliance by the WCB, our business has dropped in the lounge from $1,000 a day to $80. "
Beacon Hill Arms Tavern Closed 100% 100% Ottawa CAN
Dave O'Connor, who successfully ran Ottawa's Beacon Hill Arms pub for nine years, said the ban forced him out of business. "From September to February, we lost close to $80,000 in sales"
Bud's Place Tavern Not Yet 23% Cambrage CAN
Gardeli's Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Castlegar CAN
Hemingway's Bar/Restaraunt Not Yet 40% 6 Ottawa CAN
MacKenzie Lounge Tavern Not Yet 80% Yellowknife CAN
Mingles Coffee Shoppe Coffee Shop Closed 100% 100% Kitchener CAN
Rupert Pub Tavern Closed 100% 100% Prince Rupert CAN
Sky Garden Restaurant Closed 100% 100% 6 Ottawa CAN
"It was 100% because of the bylaw. Sales dropped 50%. Our cups of coffee were down 400 to 500 a day, our meals 20 to 30 a day."
The Patch Tavern Not Yet 70% St. Albert CAN
Tubbys Pizza Pizza Parlor Not Yet 20% 2 Crescentwood CAN
Back Stage Cafe Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% 20 Wilmington DE
Coach House Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% 8 Wilmington DE
Just Mugs Saloon Tavern Not Yet 33% Bear DE
Naamans Cafe Restaurant Closed 100% 100% 8 Wilmington DE
Elks #1795 Lodge (Private Club) Not Yet 40% 22% Fort Walton FL
"Charity money is down 45%. Our Charities are Kids of Florida and the Veterans. That is who is really getting hurt the most by this!"
Elks #2256 Lodge (Private Club) Not Yet 20% 30% Pensacola Beach FL
"We've lost 70 members because of the ban"
Elks #2273 Lodge (Private Club) Not Yet 60% 60% 1 Plantation FL
Melons Bar & Grill Bar/Restruant Not Yet 50% Port Charlotte FL
The Falls Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Naples FL
"We lost 70 percent of our income," Renzello said. "The law put us out of business." 90 percent of her customers were smokers.
Bart's Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Louisville CO
Bart's had been in operation for nearly 30 years.
Gold Mine Restaraunt Bar/Restaraunt Not Yet 50% 50% 2 Fall River MA
"There should be places for both the smoker and nonsmoker. I do not smoke but you are killing our business!!! "
Buffalo Wings and Beer Bar/Restruant Not Yet 50% Gaithersburg MD
Gentleman Jim's Restaurant Not Yet 40% Gaithersburg MD
J.J. Muldoon's Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 20% Gaithersburg MD
Middlebrook Restaurant and Lounge Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 50% Germantown MD
"I'm so bitter today because I have worked too hard to keep this business going. It's just not fair."
Pelican Pete's Restaurant Not Yet 60% Germantown MD
Tommy Joe's Restaurant Restruant Not Yet 30% Bethesda MD
Nutshell Tavern Tavern Closed 100% 100% Biddeford ME
Village Variety Closed 100% Fryeburg ME
Grandma's Restaraunt Not Yet 33% Cloquet MN
Perkins Restaraunt Not Yet 26% Duluth MN
Aessa Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 35% 6 New York NY
Argyle's EasyStreet Tavern Tavern Not Yet 12% Cortland NY
Athens Cafe Restaurant Not Yet 55% 10 Astoria NY
Blessed Sacrament Church Bingo Not Yet 50% Albany NY
Brazen Head Pub Tavern Not Yet 40% Monroe NY
Brown Shanty Tavern Not Yet 20% 1 Watertown NY
Champions Billiards Cafe Brew Pub/Pool Hall Not Yet 33% Parkville NY
Chili American Legion Post 1830 Private Club Not Yet 70% Scottsville NY
Coleman's Irish Pub Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 19% 4 Syracuse NY
Crossroads Steak House Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Kennedy NY
Delmar Sportsman's Tavern Tavern Not Yet 30% 1 Massena NY
"We had hoped...nonsmokers who haven't been frequenting taverns due to the smoke-filled air would make up for at least some of the financial loss. Unfortunately, at least in our place, this has most definitely not happened. Our sales are at an all time low"
Desperado's Tavern Not Yet 90% Wallkill NY
"I can count on my fingers the people who don't smoke who come in here. The regulars say they won't come."
Dodesters Tavern Not Yet 9% Syracuse NY
Eagle Beverage Company Distributor Not Yet 25% N/A Oswego NY
"Deliveries to pubs and taverns have decreased substantially, greater than 25 percent."
Edigan's Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Binghamton NY
End Zone Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 30% 1 Liverpool NY
Euzkadi Restaurant Not Yet 50% New York NY
Fiddler's Green Tavern Closed 100% 100% New York NY
We have just lost too many customers to this law, which I did not vote for, bar owners did not vote for, bartenders did not vote for, and the public did not vote for."
Finish Line Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 40% 2 Bellerose NY
Fountain Bowl Bowling Alley Not Yet 40% N/A 8 Jamestown NY
Golden Rail Ale House Tavern Not Yet 75% Newburgh NY
Harry's Hanover Square Bar/Restaraunt Closed 100% 100 New York NY
"Overnight, we lost 60 percent of our evening bar trade. For the bar, it was the difference in profit and loss. Sales of expensive cigars had been almost as important as the sales of Scotch" Harry's had been in business for more than thirty years
Holmes & Watson's Tavern Not Yet 30% Troy NY
Hotel McDonald Hotel Not Yet 70% Bath NY
Just One More Tavern Not Yet 30% Bath NY
Liberty Lanes Bowling Not Yet 27% Camden NY
Mama Lena's Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Binghamton NY
Mama Lena's had been in business for more than 40 years.
Mel's Place Tavern Not Yet 78% 100% Falconer NY
"When we bought this place, we throught we were buying our American Dream. We ran it successfully for 10 years. Now the government is stripping us from making a living. "
Middleport Inn Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% 13 Middleport NY
"This damn state really knows how to kill people's dreams."
Millennium Restaurant Not Yet 40% 3 New York NY
Nibsy's Pub Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 18% Syracuse NY
Rafferty's Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 35% 2 Syracuse NY
Richard's Ole Timer Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 17% 1 Clay NY
Roesch's Tavern Tavern Closed 100% 100% 5 New York NY
This had been a family business for more than a century
Salingers Tavern Not Yet 35% 2 Rochester NY
Sevens Bar Tavern Not Yet 10% Malone NY
Shamrock Tavern Tavern Not Yet 50% Oswego NY
"It's not right. Our livelihood is being taken away."
Slade Restaurant Not Yet 40% New York NY
Slick Willie's Billiard Hall Not Yet 25% Tonawanda NY
Stumble Inn Tavern Closed 100% 100% Champlain NY
Taylor's Trackside Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 50% Remsen NY
Temple Israel Bingo Not Yet 50% Albany NY
According to Herb Holland, some of the regulars told volunteers that they would abstain from playing bingo, to protest the smoking ban. He hasn't seen them since.
The Lilly Pad Tavern Closed 100% 100% Falconer NY
The Lodge at the Lake Inc Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 50% 1 Broadalbin NY
The Loft Tavern Not Yet 30% Frewsburg NY
"Our town has no attractions to draw in outsiders. We have only locals to rely on as patrons and 95% of them smoke. It will be worse when the snow sets in."
The Roadhouse Tavern Not Yet 40% Brewster NY
Thompson Road Tavern Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 25% Syracuse NY
Village Tavern Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 10% Marcellus NY
Bliss' Steak Ranch Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Eugene OR
Closed after 32 years in business
Doc's Pad Tavern Closed 100% 100% 24 Eugene OR
"Let's face it, the economy is horrible. But for us specifically, the smoking ban was the knockout punch." The Olsen family had owned Doc's for 16 years.
Max's Tavern Tavern Closed 100% 100% Eugene OR
The Peacock Tavern Not Yet 40% Corvallis OR
Connor owned the Peacock for years - and says it was the ban that caused him to sell the bar. He says business gross fell from $1.5 million in 1997, the year before the ban went into effect, to $900,000 last year.
China One Restaurant Closed 100% 100 Round Rock TX


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To: cinFLA
Really?????????

Who were the researchers that studied that?????

Who paid for it?

You don't say.......................I wonder why??????
401 posted on 11/11/2003 8:59:43 PM PST by Gabz (Thank you Veterans, for your service to our country.)
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To: cinFLA
"Conclusion: Smoke-free ordinances do not affect restaurant sales, even in the No. 1 tobacco-producing state in the U.S.," according to literature from Physicians for a Smoke-Free Canada.

No bias here, is there????

402 posted on 11/11/2003 9:02:05 PM PST by Gabz (Thank you Veterans, for your service to our country.)
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To: xrp
Liar!


US billionaires bankroll anti-Bush ads

Posted by cinFLA to alloysteel
On News/Activism 11/11/2003 7:37 PM PST #31 of 35

I don't believe this, not a bit, but I am just trying to trace some thought processes (or lack thereof) among those who seem to be visceral Bush-haters.

(cinfla)
Soros, etal., believe that drug legalization is their route to ultimate power and wealth. Their agenda includes more UN power, a national police force and TOTAL GUN CONTROL. These guys are dangerous and all the fools that spout their pro-drug propaganda should be aware of what they are abetting. Soros, etal., have funded most of the pro-drug initiatives and web-sites a pro-drug spammers.





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403 posted on 11/11/2003 9:02:13 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: Gabz
When you have NO argument with the facts, you attack the messenger. hmmm
404 posted on 11/11/2003 9:03:38 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: SheLion
ping for later
405 posted on 11/11/2003 9:05:03 PM PST by altura
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To: Gabz
I am still waiting for YOUR facts on Delaware restaurant revenue. You said you were well-connected to the capital in-crowd and had access to real data. Well, where is it?
406 posted on 11/11/2003 9:05:31 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
Please post the restaurant revenues prior to and since the ban.

I am currently privy to the books of 15 establishments.

As you are the one claiming no harm from smoking bans, when you post the revenues prior to and since the ban I will then seek the permission of the owners to do the same.

407 posted on 11/11/2003 9:07:40 PM PST by Gabz (Thank you Veterans, for your service to our country.)
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To: Gabz
I am currently privy to the books of 15 establishments.

BFD. There are thousands and thousands of restaurants in Delaware.

408 posted on 11/11/2003 9:09:07 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: Beck_isright
No need to apologize to me for the foibles of others.

None of my information is based on or from Florida - I haven't lived there in a while. All of my information comes from first hand work on this in Delaware for the past 15 years.

And I will again make the caveat (which can be found on my home page) I no longer live in Delaware - but I am only an hour away!!!! what a difference that hour makes!!!!
409 posted on 11/11/2003 9:11:27 PM PST by Gabz (Thank you Veterans, for your service to our country.)
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To: cinFLA
When was the Zagat survey done???? You don't say.

And what exactly were the questions asked?
410 posted on 11/11/2003 9:13:51 PM PST by Gabz (Thank you Veterans, for your service to our country.)
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To: Gabz
I am still waiting for YOUR facts on Delaware restaurant revenue. You said you were well-connected to the capital in-crowd and had access to real data. Well, where is it?


411 posted on 11/11/2003 9:17:53 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
So I can keep posting facts while y'all just rant and ramble! :-)

Facts????????

You quote Repace and Glantz and think you are presenting facts?????????

You pick and choose what you wish out of other posts claiming them to back up what you say and call that facts???

If you weren't able to vote I might consider you as funny as my rottweiler/lab puppy - you're actually more dangerous than she is.

412 posted on 11/11/2003 9:18:33 PM PST by Gabz (Thank you Veterans, for your service to our country.)
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To: Gabz
I am still waiting for YOUR facts on Delaware restaurant revenue. You said you were well-connected to the capital in-crowd and had access to real data. Well, where is it?


I am sure that if they were favorable to your side, they would have been posted on the many smoker's sites. BUT these sites cannot post any real claims, only random and scattered tidbits to support their case when the real studies do NOT support your case.
413 posted on 11/11/2003 9:19:45 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
How am I attacking any messenger?

I asked a question.
414 posted on 11/11/2003 9:20:48 PM PST by Gabz (Thank you Veterans, for your service to our country.)
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To: Gabz
No bias here, is there????

But you do NOT refute the conclusion.

415 posted on 11/11/2003 9:21:06 PM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
There are thousands and thousands of restaurants in Delaware.

As I have said, you have no clue about Delaware. There are a grand total of 1,700 restaurants licensed in the ENTIRE state of Delaware. And that includes hundreds of fast food places.

Hey, a "survey" of 550 Delaware residents is considered legitimate when it comes to a smoking ban in a state of almost 800,000 - the number from 15 out of 1700 should be just as legitimate.

Give me your information of how good the ban has been in Delaware. You claim it's been so great - so you obviously have information beyond the PR pieces from the local paper which is decidedly in favor of the ban.

416 posted on 11/11/2003 9:30:16 PM PST by Gabz (Thank you Veterans, for your service to our country.)
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To: cinFLA
You need a course in reading comprehension, friend.

I have the information and the facts, which I have repeatedly told you is privelged information.

How much information, not from the newspapers, do you have for ANY single establishment in Delaware??????

You do the leg work and phone work I have done over the past year and find even one place that the News Journal or Delaware State News or any other Delaware newspaper has not mentioned that is doing well since because of the ban.

You find that and get the info from them, I will be willing to give you my info. Just remember - any place mentioned in any news story does not count.
417 posted on 11/11/2003 9:38:19 PM PST by Gabz (Thank you Veterans, for your service to our country.)
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To: cinFLA
Don't try changing the subject of my post - I asked you a question......Do you plan to answer it.

You're so in the know about Delaware - why don't you post what you claim I don't know??????
418 posted on 11/11/2003 9:41:35 PM PST by Gabz (Thank you Veterans, for your service to our country.)
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To: cinFLA
Of course I refute the conclusion. Because of the obvious bias in it.

I can't believe you are unable to figure that out.

I'm done for now - I've got things to do in the morning. Good night.
419 posted on 11/11/2003 9:43:53 PM PST by Gabz (Thank you Veterans, for your service to our country.)
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To: cinFLA; Beck_isright
That doesn't count because it is the same half-assed rhetoric that you spew all the time. Nowhere in the original article is there a reference to Soros' anti-gun, pro-drug, NWO, TOTAL GUN CONTROL stuff that you get hyped up on PCP and hallucinate about. It is strictly about Soros raising money to defeat Bush, yet you cannot even focus on the article and stay on topic, so you drop into your standard robotic mode of spewing your same, unsubstantiated garbage over and over.
420 posted on 11/12/2003 5:21:22 AM PST by xrp
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