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The Facts About The Smoking Ban. If you're a business owner or not, this is a must read!
The Facts Online ^ | 11-01-03 | Dave Hitt

Posted on 11/06/2003 7:28:30 AM PST by SheLion

Every company's greatest assets are its customers, because without customers there is no company.
- Michael LeBoeuf

Businesses Harmed by Smoking Bans

Anti-smoking organizations insist that bans are somehow good for people in hospitality businesses. This chart shows otherwise. These businesses have lost a significant portion of their business as a direct result of smoking bans. Many are closed. Many that are still open have told us they doubt they'll survive much longer.

Most of this information comes directly from businesses that have contacted me or my colleagues. Some comes from newspaper articles. Blank spaces in the chart represent data that is unavailable, or that doesn't apply. (For instance, a distributor doesn't receive tips, and many owner-operators of small taverns don't have any employees other than themselves and family members.)


Business Type Of
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Closed? Business
Lost
Tips
Lost
Jobs
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City State

 
Crocodile Cafe Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Tempe AZ
Pooch's Easy Street Billiards Pool Hall Closed 100% 100% Tempe AZ
Laurel Bowl Bowling Alley Closed 100% 100% San Luis Obispo CA
385 league bowlers quit when the smoking ban went into effect, with a loss of $200,000. Laurel Bowl had been in business for 37 years before the ban.
Alexander Mackenzie Inn Hotel Not Yet 92% 16 Fort St. John CAN
"Since we were `beaten' into compliance by the WCB, our business has dropped in the lounge from $1,000 a day to $80. "
Beacon Hill Arms Tavern Closed 100% 100% Ottawa CAN
Dave O'Connor, who successfully ran Ottawa's Beacon Hill Arms pub for nine years, said the ban forced him out of business. "From September to February, we lost close to $80,000 in sales"
Bud's Place Tavern Not Yet 23% Cambrage CAN
Gardeli's Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Castlegar CAN
Hemingway's Bar/Restaraunt Not Yet 40% 6 Ottawa CAN
MacKenzie Lounge Tavern Not Yet 80% Yellowknife CAN
Mingles Coffee Shoppe Coffee Shop Closed 100% 100% Kitchener CAN
Rupert Pub Tavern Closed 100% 100% Prince Rupert CAN
Sky Garden Restaurant Closed 100% 100% 6 Ottawa CAN
"It was 100% because of the bylaw. Sales dropped 50%. Our cups of coffee were down 400 to 500 a day, our meals 20 to 30 a day."
The Patch Tavern Not Yet 70% St. Albert CAN
Tubbys Pizza Pizza Parlor Not Yet 20% 2 Crescentwood CAN
Back Stage Cafe Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% 20 Wilmington DE
Coach House Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% 8 Wilmington DE
Just Mugs Saloon Tavern Not Yet 33% Bear DE
Naamans Cafe Restaurant Closed 100% 100% 8 Wilmington DE
Elks #1795 Lodge (Private Club) Not Yet 40% 22% Fort Walton FL
"Charity money is down 45%. Our Charities are Kids of Florida and the Veterans. That is who is really getting hurt the most by this!"
Elks #2256 Lodge (Private Club) Not Yet 20% 30% Pensacola Beach FL
"We've lost 70 members because of the ban"
Elks #2273 Lodge (Private Club) Not Yet 60% 60% 1 Plantation FL
Melons Bar & Grill Bar/Restruant Not Yet 50% Port Charlotte FL
The Falls Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Naples FL
"We lost 70 percent of our income," Renzello said. "The law put us out of business." 90 percent of her customers were smokers.
Bart's Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Louisville CO
Bart's had been in operation for nearly 30 years.
Gold Mine Restaraunt Bar/Restaraunt Not Yet 50% 50% 2 Fall River MA
"There should be places for both the smoker and nonsmoker. I do not smoke but you are killing our business!!! "
Buffalo Wings and Beer Bar/Restruant Not Yet 50% Gaithersburg MD
Gentleman Jim's Restaurant Not Yet 40% Gaithersburg MD
J.J. Muldoon's Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 20% Gaithersburg MD
Middlebrook Restaurant and Lounge Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 50% Germantown MD
"I'm so bitter today because I have worked too hard to keep this business going. It's just not fair."
Pelican Pete's Restaurant Not Yet 60% Germantown MD
Tommy Joe's Restaurant Restruant Not Yet 30% Bethesda MD
Nutshell Tavern Tavern Closed 100% 100% Biddeford ME
Village Variety Closed 100% Fryeburg ME
Grandma's Restaraunt Not Yet 33% Cloquet MN
Perkins Restaraunt Not Yet 26% Duluth MN
Aessa Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 35% 6 New York NY
Argyle's EasyStreet Tavern Tavern Not Yet 12% Cortland NY
Athens Cafe Restaurant Not Yet 55% 10 Astoria NY
Blessed Sacrament Church Bingo Not Yet 50% Albany NY
Brazen Head Pub Tavern Not Yet 40% Monroe NY
Brown Shanty Tavern Not Yet 20% 1 Watertown NY
Champions Billiards Cafe Brew Pub/Pool Hall Not Yet 33% Parkville NY
Chili American Legion Post 1830 Private Club Not Yet 70% Scottsville NY
Coleman's Irish Pub Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 19% 4 Syracuse NY
Crossroads Steak House Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Kennedy NY
Delmar Sportsman's Tavern Tavern Not Yet 30% 1 Massena NY
"We had hoped...nonsmokers who haven't been frequenting taverns due to the smoke-filled air would make up for at least some of the financial loss. Unfortunately, at least in our place, this has most definitely not happened. Our sales are at an all time low"
Desperado's Tavern Not Yet 90% Wallkill NY
"I can count on my fingers the people who don't smoke who come in here. The regulars say they won't come."
Dodesters Tavern Not Yet 9% Syracuse NY
Eagle Beverage Company Distributor Not Yet 25% N/A Oswego NY
"Deliveries to pubs and taverns have decreased substantially, greater than 25 percent."
Edigan's Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Binghamton NY
End Zone Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 30% 1 Liverpool NY
Euzkadi Restaurant Not Yet 50% New York NY
Fiddler's Green Tavern Closed 100% 100% New York NY
We have just lost too many customers to this law, which I did not vote for, bar owners did not vote for, bartenders did not vote for, and the public did not vote for."
Finish Line Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 40% 2 Bellerose NY
Fountain Bowl Bowling Alley Not Yet 40% N/A 8 Jamestown NY
Golden Rail Ale House Tavern Not Yet 75% Newburgh NY
Harry's Hanover Square Bar/Restaraunt Closed 100% 100 New York NY
"Overnight, we lost 60 percent of our evening bar trade. For the bar, it was the difference in profit and loss. Sales of expensive cigars had been almost as important as the sales of Scotch" Harry's had been in business for more than thirty years
Holmes & Watson's Tavern Not Yet 30% Troy NY
Hotel McDonald Hotel Not Yet 70% Bath NY
Just One More Tavern Not Yet 30% Bath NY
Liberty Lanes Bowling Not Yet 27% Camden NY
Mama Lena's Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Binghamton NY
Mama Lena's had been in business for more than 40 years.
Mel's Place Tavern Not Yet 78% 100% Falconer NY
"When we bought this place, we throught we were buying our American Dream. We ran it successfully for 10 years. Now the government is stripping us from making a living. "
Middleport Inn Bar/Restaurant Closed 100% 100% 13 Middleport NY
"This damn state really knows how to kill people's dreams."
Millennium Restaurant Not Yet 40% 3 New York NY
Nibsy's Pub Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 18% Syracuse NY
Rafferty's Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 35% 2 Syracuse NY
Richard's Ole Timer Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 17% 1 Clay NY
Roesch's Tavern Tavern Closed 100% 100% 5 New York NY
This had been a family business for more than a century
Salingers Tavern Not Yet 35% 2 Rochester NY
Sevens Bar Tavern Not Yet 10% Malone NY
Shamrock Tavern Tavern Not Yet 50% Oswego NY
"It's not right. Our livelihood is being taken away."
Slade Restaurant Not Yet 40% New York NY
Slick Willie's Billiard Hall Not Yet 25% Tonawanda NY
Stumble Inn Tavern Closed 100% 100% Champlain NY
Taylor's Trackside Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 50% Remsen NY
Temple Israel Bingo Not Yet 50% Albany NY
According to Herb Holland, some of the regulars told volunteers that they would abstain from playing bingo, to protest the smoking ban. He hasn't seen them since.
The Lilly Pad Tavern Closed 100% 100% Falconer NY
The Lodge at the Lake Inc Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 50% 1 Broadalbin NY
The Loft Tavern Not Yet 30% Frewsburg NY
"Our town has no attractions to draw in outsiders. We have only locals to rely on as patrons and 95% of them smoke. It will be worse when the snow sets in."
The Roadhouse Tavern Not Yet 40% Brewster NY
Thompson Road Tavern Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 25% Syracuse NY
Village Tavern Bar/Restaurant Not Yet 10% Marcellus NY
Bliss' Steak Ranch Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Eugene OR
Closed after 32 years in business
Doc's Pad Tavern Closed 100% 100% 24 Eugene OR
"Let's face it, the economy is horrible. But for us specifically, the smoking ban was the knockout punch." The Olsen family had owned Doc's for 16 years.
Max's Tavern Tavern Closed 100% 100% Eugene OR
The Peacock Tavern Not Yet 40% Corvallis OR
Connor owned the Peacock for years - and says it was the ban that caused him to sell the bar. He says business gross fell from $1.5 million in 1997, the year before the ban went into effect, to $900,000 last year.
China One Restaurant Closed 100% 100 Round Rock TX


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To: Doc On The Bay
Political agenda,maybe,but financial agenda,definitely !!

It's all about money----by making smoking and smokers the greatest health threat on earth today they can be heavily taxed and the wimpy cigarette manufacturers can knuckle under to the law suits.

Money talks,and in this situation it is talking loudly.

I,as a smoker,wish they would ban them entirely. Dealing with the black market would be more pleasurable than dealing with the hypocrisy of the municipal and state governments.
301 posted on 11/07/2003 8:40:13 PM PST by Mears
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To: Mears; hotshot; SheLion
$33.00 for two dinners is first class?

That's a hoot!!! My bar bill on a Friday afternoon is more than that.

The definition of first class is different for different people. By his own admission Mr. hotshot is a chain restaurant type of guy. Hey, more power to him if that is what he and his Mrs. prefers.

Personally I prefer a bit more character and a bit more personality when it comes to dining out. I was totally shocked the last time we went "out" for dinner - even with a $15 tip it was less than $80 and there were 3 of us and we were eating shrimp, crabs, lobsters and clams.

And we could smoke a cigarette after our meal withut having to go outside.

302 posted on 11/07/2003 8:40:39 PM PST by Gabz (Smoke-gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - SWAT'EM)
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To: cinFLA
Dream on.
303 posted on 11/07/2003 8:43:36 PM PST by Gabz (Smoke-gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - SWAT'EM)
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To: Mears
AGREE.

I could make MUCH MORE MONEY smuggling Cigaretts than I will EVER MAKE being "Honest!!"

"Sigh"

Doc

304 posted on 11/07/2003 9:12:16 PM PST by Doc On The Bay
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To: Gabz
After the multiple posts, the point is that I, as a non-smoker, have a financial impact on the resturants which I choose to enjoy. I chose to spend my money only in non-smoking restaurants or a restaurant with a separate smoking area. I may or may not have a larger financial impact that any of you. I am not bragging about what I CHOOSE to spend.
My businesses require constant travel. It is a vacation to spend time at home. I am required to eat out. I like my lifestyle of living on the road or I would not spend money doing it.
In this country the dollar builts and breaks. If you want the Mom and Pop bars to make it you yourself have to patronise them. It is my choice not to eat there or drink there. Those owners can not complain to me because they do not offer what I want or am willing to pay for.
At this point I will say that the marketplace not the government should decide. The super majority vote in Florida on smoking clearly put the dollars into the non-smoking resturaunts, but the voters did it. In Delaware there should be a compromise, allowing exceptions.
305 posted on 11/08/2003 6:19:02 AM PST by hotshot
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To: Doc On The Bay
Those are examples of abuse of power of government. Those are not examples of people empowering a government to do those things. Just because a police man shoots an innocent man with a gov't gun, does not mean we empowered him to do so. It is an abuse of power.

That would be true if the cops that abused the power were punished for their misdeeds. Instead, they are usually promoted. Therefore, these are perfect examples of the police being empowered to murder people.

Bliss' Steak Ranch Restaurant Closed 100% 100% Eugene OR "

Owner admits that recession and 9/11 were major factors in a business downturn BEFORE smoke ban enacted.

Seems his smokers deserted him BEFORE the smoking ban. hmmm

Why is it that immature children think adding "hmmmm" to their posts proves something?

Ups and downs are part of any business. Most of them are survivable. When someone is already experiencing a "down," though, an additional, artificially imposed down can be the last straw, the final thing that kills the business. Take a business that is experiencing, say, a 15% loss because of the economy. They're struggling along, surviving, but the the smoking ban gives them another 15% loss. They might have been able to survive that if they weren't already being burdened by the first loss, but when the ban hits, that's what kills them.

 

306 posted on 11/08/2003 7:09:41 AM PST by Hittman
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To: Mears
Imagine how large our profits would be if cigarettes were illegal in the US!

I'd SURELY make a LOT more money smuggling Cigarettes than trying to make an "honest living!"

Doc

307 posted on 11/08/2003 3:17:07 PM PST by Doc On The Bay
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To: cinFLA
I always figured you as anti-smoking nazi too.
308 posted on 11/08/2003 9:05:24 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Hittman
Why is it that immature children think adding "hmmmm" to their posts proves something?



"hhhhhhmmmmmm"
309 posted on 11/09/2003 6:22:13 PM PST by BriarBey
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To: cinFLA; Gabz
"I seriously doubt that Gabz has spent as much time in school as she has spent in bars."

Once again, you come on here and display the ugliest of judgemental attitudes. It is clear by your posts that you consider a personal "put down" as a legitimate form of discussion. Your behavior is typical of the anti and it is typical of the type of person that will drive our country into the ground!
310 posted on 11/10/2003 5:10:35 AM PST by CSM (Moose Flatulence, MF for short is a bain on our future. Stop the MF today!!! (Flurry, 11/06/2003))
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To: hotshot
My businesses require constant travel. I am required to eat out.

No you aren't. You could just as easily go to a grocery store and buy food there and eat it in your hotel room where no one is smoking.

311 posted on 11/10/2003 8:37:24 AM PST by xrp
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To: CSM
Once again, you come on here and display the ugliest of judgemental attitudes.

Oh I understand. It is alright for your side to be judgemental but when I reply to one of your judgemental posts to me, I have an 'attitude'. hmmmm

312 posted on 11/10/2003 8:42:18 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: Gabz
What a sleazy thing to say.

Wow. I say 'Thank you' for acknowledging my post to be true and you say it is sleazy. hmmm

313 posted on 11/10/2003 8:44:03 AM PST by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
I did not acknowledge your "post" to be true - only part of it.

What I find sleazy is your refusal to acknowledge that you were only partly correct and took my comments out of conext.
314 posted on 11/10/2003 8:46:53 AM PST by Gabz (Smoke-gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - SWAT'EM)
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To: SheLion
Bump!
315 posted on 11/10/2003 8:48:36 AM PST by The Mayor (Through prayer, finite man draws upon the power of the infinite God.)
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To: cinFLA; Gabz
"I seriously doubt that cinnie has spent any more time in Delaware in his life than it takes on I-95 to get to the Jersey turnpike. - Gabz

I seriously doubt that Gabz has spent as much time in school as she has spent in bars. - cinFLA"

Let's re-review the post you made. I don't see Gabz's comment about your spending time in Delaware as judgemental of your character. You however, attack Gabz personally by questioning her education level. Your statement is a dressed up way of saying that she has spent more time drinking in bars than she has studying the books. In essence, you are saying that she is incapable of thiking, because she has killed to many brain cells.

Questioning someone's experience with specific areas (Deleware) is not even close to personally labeling a person to drunk to think.
316 posted on 11/10/2003 9:00:15 AM PST by CSM (Moose Flatulence, MF for short is a bain on our future. Stop the MF today!!! (Flurry, 11/06/2003))
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To: SheLion
The Blackburn bingo hall in Ottawa Canada, has just closed it's doors, reason given....... the smoking ban.

The hall tried to entice more clients with cheaper card prices, the City said that was illegal.

317 posted on 11/10/2003 6:14:30 PM PST by Great Dane (You can smoke just about everywhere in Denmark.)
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To: hotshot
(guess what the brown running down the walls was?)

Cooking grease. ??

318 posted on 11/10/2003 6:48:34 PM PST by Great Dane (You can smoke just about everywhere in Denmark.)
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To: Sodbuster
$0.50 tax on a burger, add $0.05 for cheese and/or bacon $0.25 tax on fries Add a $1.00 if you super size your order.

I think people should pay the same tax on a fast food meal, as we pay on a pack of cigarettes.

319 posted on 11/10/2003 6:58:09 PM PST by Great Dane (You can smoke just about everywhere in Denmark.)
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To: Great Dane
Second hand nicotine
320 posted on 11/10/2003 8:41:44 PM PST by hotshot
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