Solberg wants Islam 'modernized' (Norway)

Aftenposten ^ | 11/04/03 | Carsten Bleness & Nina Berglund

[Question_Assumptions]

[...] or grown up in the country as first- or second-generation immigrants.

I realize that this isn't the only problem but perhaps not calling people born in Norway "second-generation immigrants" might help.

[rube]

What's the "over-under" on Erna's life expectancy?

[journey7873]

Funny, I want Islam gone.

[2banana]

You could always treat Muslims the way non-Muslims are treated in Islamic societies:

Bibles are illegal
Churches are illegal
Death sentence for anyone who converts
Illegal to hand out non-Muslim religious texts
etc.

You know, treat them like they are the infidel...

[45Auto]

Yes. Those who cling to the 'belief' that the western world is not at war with Islam are going to find out the hard way. The more they accomodate these fanatics, the more danger to themselves and to their countries is created.

[meowmeow]

hmmmm...those wacky Norwegians may be on to something...

[CaptRon]

Cabinet Minister Erna Solberg is calling on Muslims to better integrate into Norwegian society declare a fatwa against her for insulting Islam..

[the_Watchman]

Solberg has hit the nail on the head! Solberg insists that THEY integrate into Western culture.

Our sources in Christian circles say that radical Islamists are threatening to destroy Western Civilization because of its influence on their culture. They see the existence of the West as a direct assault on their way of life.

Sadly, Islamists are partially correct. Western influence WILL alter their culture. They cringe at Western values which allow sexually explicit behavior, lack of honor, and practices such as abortion. On the other hand, they are blind to the moral problems of their own culture, such as human slavery and state sanctioned murder.

[alloysteel]

Muslims don't "understand" the criticism of their seeming inability to embrace the non-Islam culture in which they have chosen to live. Of course not. That would mean that somewhere outside themselves, there are people who live good wholesome lives, and are NOT Muslim. And because good lives can be lived without becoming a Muslim, there is no compelling need to demand that the entire world convert to Islam. Christianity, and Protestant Christianity at that, does have many redeeming social qualities, enough to hold the respect of honest Muslims. Or ought to.

[nosofar]

"They have to get more education, which they should get here in Europe," she continued. "It's especially important that immigrants learn what it means to live in a feminist society."

Norway's a 'feminist' culture!? What does that mean?

[Marysecretary]

When I visited relatives in Norway back in the early 80's, the Pakistani's were moving in. My relatives hated them. They brought in drugs, etc. They called them "Pakis." I hate to see my beloved Norway infested with this disease.

[Paleo Conservative]

Muslims living in Norway must accept that they're a minority in a progressive, egalitarian-oriented society,

Why? If they keep breeding like rabbits, they eventually won't be.

[cyborg]

I have relatives who have actually moved to Norway from the West Indies. They love it there. People friendly, laid back European culture,etc. Apparently the situation isn't bad enough yet for them to leave.

[Steve_Seattle]

I'm of two minds about this. On one hand, I'm encouraged that some people - even in Europe - are beginning to see the threat posed by Islamic immigration and the lack of assimilation into Western society. On the other hand, there is a civil rights issue here, and I think there's a danger that the government will go too far in protecting its legitimate interests. And I'm not sure where the middle ground ends and the extremes begin.

[cardinal4]

Funny, I want Islam gone.

Yeah, just get rid of them. Im always struck that they feel their culture is above the very culture they emigrated to..

[Steve_Seattle]

"Why? If they keep breeding like rabbits, they eventually won't be."

That's why there should be SEVERE limitations on immigration from Islamic countries.

[Guillermo]

Yes, Muslims rail on our "sexually explicit culture" while promising those who carry out "martrydom operations" 72 virgins in the afterlife...

[cyborg]

A person can come from an islamic country but not be muslim. The owner of the 7-11 I frequent, he is a Pakistani Roman Catholic. The other owner is Hindu, but I'd not say they're hell bent on destroying western civilization. Actually it's not as if they can return home, they'd both be killed, esp. the RC.

It'd be easier for Norway to do whatever it has to do. They're a socialist country. US can go back to rigorous immigrant screening, such as moral character,disease,criminal checks,etc but to start saying, oh well, you're from XYZ middle eastern country, you suck, you're not allowed? At all? Screening people severely, rather than an out-out ban, is better and we'd only be getting the best anyway.

As for breeding like rabbits, people are allowed to have children. People should not blame those who place more value on children, than say pop American culture of abortion, and putting riches over having babies.

[anguish]

In the scandinavian meaning, it's a society where women are, and are required by law to be valued the same as men. Norway also have some pretty far-reaching equal opportunity laws aimed at getting more women in leading positions (e.g. minumum of 40% of one sex in boards), laws that recently disqualified a woman from a chair in Statoil where 3 of 5 (I think) chairs already were occupied by women.