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To: presidio9
Apparently so. Care to tell us where Papal Infallibility can be invoked? Hint: Never in matters of state.

Ah, progress on this front too, so now we acknoledge the existence of Papal infallibility. When Martin Luther and his followers and theses were condemned, and the protestant wars followed, was that an example of avoiding matters of state?

Look, you are flat-out wrong here. The Church has been very clear on this matter.

Wrong about what? Indeed the church has been clear, see the "We Remember" document.

from the catholic encyclopedia:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07790a.htm

If the Pope can condemn & commit genocide on the anabaptists in protestant Switzerland, it is very hard to see how there's some magic line between matters of state and doctrine the pope isn't permitted to trespass--the gist of your argument, I presume.

Papal infallibility means whatever the Pope declares it to mean, being infallible.

176 posted on 11/06/2003 1:34:13 PM PST by donh (1)
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To: donh
LOL, thanks for the link Father. States this clearly and seperately:

"Infallibility must be carefully distinguished both from Inspiration and from Revelation"

So, in fact, the Church does not speak with your oft-repeated "Voice of Jesus." You argued as point for 100 posts, and then provided a link that emphatically proved you were wrong. You can't stay out of your own way, can you? Do yourself a favor and don't supply any more links. You are better off when you are just BS-ing off the top of your head. I have 16+ years of Catholic schooling. You would be wise not to get into a debate on the policies of the Catholic Church with me, I am just much better armed.

177 posted on 11/06/2003 1:47:00 PM PST by presidio9 (a new birth of Freedom)
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