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To: donh
So...you find one lapsed catholic and you think to suggest the catholic church is off the hook in this matter? Fat chance. The catholic church is perfectly capable of condemning classes of people due to their actions through excommunication. Hence the popes capacity to excommunicate all communists.

No he asked you to provide a list of all of the Catholic death commanders, and he warned you not to include Hoess, because the man renounced Catholicism (note: a "lapsed Catholic" is one who stops going to Mass, not one who denies the religion and embraces evil). Your failure to do so speaks volumes for your ability to do anymore to google radical Anti-Catholic websites and state as fact the garbage you find there.

146 posted on 11/06/2003 10:42:01 AM PST by presidio9 (a new birth of Freedom)
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To: presidio9
No he asked you to provide a list of all of the Catholic death commanders, and he warned you not to include Hoess, because the man renounced Catholicism (note: a "lapsed Catholic" is one who stops going to Mass, not one who denies the religion and embraces evil). Your failure to do so speaks volumes for your ability to do anymore to google radical Anti-Catholic websites and state as fact the garbage you find there.

Anti-catholic web sites, eh? You mean like the vatican? Who do you think published the "we remember" document? Since you asked, Let's start the documentation: Let's begin with the church handing birth and death records over: here's Edith Stein, a catholic saint, on the subject:

http://www.anti-racism.supanet.com/rac/stein.htm

An answer to your question:

http://www.angelraybooks.com/books/schiff/0011sc.htm

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/pohl/indict4.htm

http://lastexpression.northwestern.edu/essays/friedland.pdf

speeches by Hitler envoking christian sentiment in support of the jewish solution:

http://jews-for-allah.org/messianic-jews/christianhistorywithjews/speeches.htm

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/quotes_hitler.html

Referring to a point about excommunication:

from the Catholic Encyclopedia:

Excommunication Latæ Sententiæ:


This doesn't mean what you think it means. Joining a group that has a blanket excommunication against all it's members is an example of Excommunication Latæ Sententiæ. Here is a fragment of an article on excommunication in the Catholic Encyclopedia: 

(b) Excommunications Simply Reserved to the Pope 

Before enumerating those it intends to retain, the Constitution "Apostolicæ Sedis" pronounces a first excommunication of this kind against "those who presume to absolve, without the requisite faculties and under any pretext whatsoever, from excommunications that are specially reserved". This article is directed against those who dare to absolve in bad faith or rashly; a well-founded doubt, however, and even gross ignorance may be pleaded as excuses. Then follow seventeen excommunications simply reserved, declared against the following persons: 

(1) "Those who either publicly or privately teach or defend propositions condemned by the Holy See under pain of excommunication latæ sententiæ; likewise those who teach or maintain as lawful the practice of asking the penitent the name of his or her accomplice, a practice condemned by Benedict XIV in his Constitutions 'Suprema' (7 July, 1745), 'Ubi primum' (2 July, 1746), and 'Ad eradicandam' (28 Sept., 1746)." This article contains two distinct parts. In the first it is not question of all propositions condemned by popes or councils in terms less condemnatory (e.g. rash, offensive, etc.) than the specific stigma heretical (to defend heretical propositions being heresy itself and already declared a chief cause of excommunication, see above), but only those which the popes have specifically forbidden to be maintained under pain of excommunication latæ sententiæ. These propositions are: 
(a) the forty-one errors of Luther condemned by Leo X, 16 May, 1520; 
(b) the seventy-nine theses of Michael Baius condemned 1 Oct., 1567, 29 Jan., 1579, and 16 March, 1641; 


... 

(1) and finally the sixty-five Modernistic propositions condemned by decree of the Holy Office, 3 July, 1907, according to the Motu Proprio of Pius X, 19 November, 1907.

a brief history: http://www.yad-vashem.org.il/download/education/units/crystal_1.pdf

a current update: http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/01/02/Gellately.html

Let's just take a small stroll through the archives ourselves and see what we think of the theory that the genocide of 6 million jews was deeply hidden from view:

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/4038/pic50.htm

http://www.bxscience.edu/organizations/holocaust/center/posters/poster01.jpg

http://www.bxscience.edu/organizations/holocaust/center/posters/poster03.jpg

http://www.bxscience.edu/organizations/holocaust/center/posters/poster08.jpg

http://www.bxscience.edu/organizations/holocaust/center/posters/poster13.jpg

http://www.bxscience.edu/organizations/holocaust/center/posters/poster14.jpg

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg00/pg5/pg00531.html

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg00/pg5/pg00524.html

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg00/pg5/pg00506.html

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg04/pg3/pg04336.html

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg41/pg8/pg41856.html

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg17/pg8/pg17840.html

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg02/pg0/pg02019.html

http://motlc.wiesenthal.com/gallery/pg33/pg1/pg33166.html

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?ModuleId=10005680
http://www.adl.org/children_holocaust/about_nazi_law.asp

http://www.iht.com/articles/95911.html

http://www.kdhs.org.uk/history/a/as_unit6/goebbels.htm

If you'd like to aquaint yourself with the shear mass of anti-jewish sentiment enshrined in overt nazi policy, this reading list might help:

http://www.chgs.umn.edu/Educational_Resources/Curriculum/Broken_Threads/Resources/resources.html

150 posted on 11/06/2003 11:40:16 AM PST by donh (1)
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