[Chancellor Palpatine]

Frequently of FR we will see articles written by Mr. Sobran, and see them held forth as some distillation of deep thought by those "true conservatives" of the paleocon right. In those threads, there will inevitably be some comment about Mr. Sobran's biases, but we are always assured that those don't really exist, and that his is a valid worldview, borne of hardy thought and reflection, and that by turning our backs on paleoconservatism, we do a disservice to the cause.

I found this little gem when lurking about on LF, and found this article sourced at a site I classify as appealing to neonazis.

I have long formed my opinion of Mr. Sobran and the doctrines he espouses, this merely confirmed them.

I invite others to read this and form their own opinions.

[ambrose]

As suicide bombings alternate with disproportionate yet unavailing retaliations, the daily news from Israel is so painful that we all yearn for a solution.

Can there be any doubt as to what his "solution" might be...

[Ohioan]

While Mr. Sobran has obviously pushed some hot button issues--so far as some of the posters to your thread are concerned--a close reading of the article does not support any of the extreme claims being made. Actually, in refusing to even consider any of his points, many of the posters seem to be actually confirming one of his principal theses that obsessive processes are distorting judgment.

Personally, I think he can be faulted for two things, in an otherwise thoughtful article. He does tend to stereotype to some extent, by suggesting that American Jews fall into three categories. While his three categories may, and probably do account for substantial numbers, they are by no means exclusive, and do not describe substantial other numbers. However, I do not think this is in anyway malicious. Indeed, on balance, he says more favorable things about American Jews than negative.

His other fault, in my estimation, is in disclosing an apparently private conversation with Bill Buckley. That seems unfair, in this sort of public format. (And I do not think that Buckley can be accused of being obsessed with Israeli interests. I remember his article at the time of the Eichmann Trial "Israel Against The Jews," which was very critical of the way that whole matter was handled--and that was the major news event involving Israel between the 1956 and 1967 Wars. Although granted that is more than a generation ago, and I have not followed Buckley that closely in the past twenty years.)

I do not have a clue as to the religious background of most of those posting, here, and do not really have a clue as to whether most of those posting on Israeli subjects are Jews or Gentiles--probably a decent mix. But there is, frankly, a disproportionate emphasis on Israeli themes as opposed to those involving other foreign lands--with the exception of Mexican themes (almost all of the latter being negative) and Iraqi (where we are more immediately involved). Whether this reflects an "obsession" with the modern secular State of Israel, or one with the scenes of the Bible, or a combination of the two, I do not know. But anyone who doubts that assessment, might just scan the subjects posted over an average month.

I have one other comment, and it is one that goes alike to both Sobran, his supporters and his detractors. All of them keep referring to the "Holocaust," when they are actually writing about a methodical, systematic, cold-blooded slaughter, involving considerable organization and planning, extending over a three year period. Packaging that vicious procedure under a catchy packaging term is as ridiculous as the current practice of packaging deviant asexuality under the term "Gay." It discourages actual understanding. And it is actual understanding that is needed to realize how totally ridiculous some posters are being, who would suggest that Sobran is advocating anything of the sort.

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[Tribune7]

If one criticizes Israel for human rights violations or undue aggression while holding Syria or Saudi Arabia to a much lower standard, then one is an anti-semite.

It is a pretty simple litmus test, actually.

[iconoclast]

I found this little gem when lurking about on LF, and found this article sourced at a site I classify as appealing to neonazis.

I found it a longer essay than I'm use to from Mr. Sobran, but please, select one sentence or paragraph that you think throws Joe into the NEO-NAZI camp.

[Al Simmons]

Hmmmmm...afraid for his two precious boys' lives? Sounds a little bit CONVENIENT (and lame) an excuse for his "change".

Furthermore, I do not think that the "secularized" Jews of the USA that he uses as his scapegoat support Ariel Sharon at all - so that is clearly a false statement in support of his argument. They (ironically, like he PRETENDS to), also "yearn for the days of Abba Eban"!!!!

As for me, I am 100% behind Sharon. I wish he had the political will to push the Phillistines into the Mediterranean on one side, and over the Jordan on the other.
Any sane nation would do this in pure self-defense given the terror-war that the Islamofascists have been waging aainst Israel. The true crime is that the US has not supported Israel's use of the option that the US itself has availed itself of since 9/11.

Just my 2 cents worth.

P.S. To Mr. Sobran (who professes to be a practicing Catholic, I believe). In the Bible, God says that He will Bless those nations that bless the Jewish people, and CURSE those nations that persecute them. Methinks he needs to get away from his catechisms and "Hail Marys" and actually READ the Book! (I am not anti-Catholic - I merely subscribe to the well-documented view that extra-Biblical Catholic Church doctrine and rituals can often obscure for the average man the TRUE meaning of the Scriptures. So, Mr. Sobran - READ the Scriptures FIRST! Then it will all become clearer to you.)

[streetpreacher]

Typical Traditional Catholic Anti-Semitism; is pre-Vatican II synonomous with Anti-Semitism?

[veronica]

Lately he's taken to cavorting with Holocaust deniers. What a loser.

[Torie]

Sobran seems comfortable with the thought of Israel being destroyed, with a great loss of life and a new Disapora, and really believes that Jews are the root of the ongoing secularization of America (albeit in its own unique still quite religious way), and a more laissez faire attitude about personal life styles. He also I suspects like Pat Buchanan does, the marginalization of influence of Catholics with a pre Vatican II mindset. From that, much else follows, at least for one with a mean spirited heart.

That's my take on Sobranism.

[Michael2001]

He used to be a good writer, but as he himself admits, he is now obsessed and his writing has deteriorated. I've lost my respect for him