[Chancellor Palpatine]

Frequently of FR we will see articles written by Mr. Sobran, and see them held forth as some distillation of deep thought by those "true conservatives" of the paleocon right. In those threads, there will inevitably be some comment about Mr. Sobran's biases, but we are always assured that those don't really exist, and that his is a valid worldview, borne of hardy thought and reflection, and that by turning our backs on paleoconservatism, we do a disservice to the cause.

I found this little gem when lurking about on LF, and found this article sourced at a site I classify as appealing to neonazis.

I have long formed my opinion of Mr. Sobran and the doctrines he espouses, this merely confirmed them.

I invite others to read this and form their own opinions.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Your hero speaks from the heart.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

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[Dialup Llama]

Something is funny abt this article. The Sobran site has a similarly named article called Obsessions about Israel, but the body of the article is completely different.

The neonazi website links not to a Sobran column, but to a newsgroup which posted the article without a link. If this article is real why did not the neonazi website link to a newspaper where this alleged Sobran article was published?

[wesdale]

I would like to hear more about Sobran's understanding of "the oversimplified myths of the Holocaust and Zionism" that I apparently subscribe to.

I agree that criticism of Israel should not be dismissed as anti-semitic but clearly some of this article goes further than that.

Very interesting. Good post.

[SJackson]

You'd think Sobran would have been pleased with our involvement in Lebanon, we saved Arafat's ass.

[AmishDude]

While I have no doubt Sobran might have written this, he didn't write it as recently as September 2003. He is an anti-Semite, but I hate to see Internet hoaxes get spread.

For something that Sobran takes credit for, read "For Fear of the Jews". It's the same sort of frightening stuff.

[Sam Cree]

I see where the source of the article is questioned. It would be nice to find out that it's not his.

I consider myself more or less of a libertarian, yet why wouldn't it surprise me if the Libertarians jump on the Palestinian bandwagon, along with the Left?

Some of these people are just assclowns.

[Steve_Seattle]

"The plague-carriers, so to speak, are the secularized, liberal, middlebrow Jews whose vulgarity sets the tone for American politics, public discourse, and popular culture. Some of them, like Steven Spielberg and Barbra Streisand, have real talent, of sorts; most of them are good at making money and aggressive in using it for their pet causes. Above all, they have a low genius for propaganda - for shaping the popular mind and its characteristic platitudes."

This paragraph is the essnce of the piece, and what we have here is a restatement of the Medieval idea of the "dirty Jew," the corrupting Jew, the Jew as a defective human, the Jew who undermines good, clean Christian values. Yes, there are many Jews who fit this profile, but there inummerably more Catholics, Protestants, and non-Jewish secularists who fit it. Sobran is re-packaging an ancient smear.

[Snuffington]

Other than a naive assessment of Israel, which sounds an awful lot like the mainstream journalism of most of Europe, where is the smoking gun in the article above? The fact that a neo-Nazi group liked it? They'd presumably like anything critical of Israel. Why should that be a surprise? Is there some damning quote in the article itself you'd like to point out?

Sobran, Charley Reese, and Pat Buchanan are all anti-Israel, and essentially all offer the same line of reasoning. I happen to think they're wrong - in some cases dazzlingly wrong. But I don't think that makes any of them anti-Semites. Their criticism is almost entirely geo-political and semi-isolationist, but it's not racial. If they truly are bigots, a bit more evidence is needed.

[jpl]

I won't retell the whole story here, except to say that my own ardent support for Israel had ended in 1982 when I realized what Israel's cruel invasion of Lebanon, led by Ariel Sharon, meant for America and for my family.

For America it meant that the Jewish lobby, including some of my neo-conservative friends (as I thought them), had gotten this country into a sticky situation: an alliance that was morally dubious and very dangerous. We were being steered into a needless war with the Arabs, hotly desired by Israel and its supporters but contrary to our own real interests.

Yeah, the Ayatollah's coup-de-tat, the seizure of our embassy, and the holding of our hostages for over a year had nothing at all to with steering us towards that war. What a moron this guy is.

[r9etb]

The plague-carriers, so to speak, are the secularized, liberal, middlebrow Jews whose vulgarity sets the tone for American politics, public discourse, and popular culture. Some of them, like Steven Spielberg and Barbra Streisand, have real talent, of sorts; most of them are good at making money and aggressive in using it for their pet causes. Above all, they have a low genius for propaganda - for shaping the popular mind and its characteristic platitudes.

Well, Joe -- this is pretty damned ugly. And your "obsession" with what you call the "Jewish Party" seems like something out of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion."

Sounds to me like "anti-Semitic" is a lot more accurate than you'd want us to believe.

[dennisw]

A legend in his own mind. An obsessed, sick ba**ard. His attitudes are a lot more warped than what he has to the gnads to write here.

[Valin]

and see them held forth as some distillation of deep thought by those "true conservatives" of the paleocon right.

Ever consider the possibility that it is?
As for the Obsession of some of us with the Jews, could it be something about the fact that 12 milion of them were killed, and the little fact that they are and have been at war with their nieghbors, and they are an island of western culture in a vast sea of unenlightenment?.

[Wallace T.]

I must wonder if Joe Sobran is going down the path of Revilo Oliver, who, like Sobran, was a classical scholar who started his career as a social commentator as a mainstream conservative and ended up in his dotage as a man who believed Hitler was too moderate. Oliver was not alone. In the post-World War II era, there were a number of men who started out as Taft-McCarthy-Goldwater supporters, then moved to the John Birch Society and similar "conspiracy theory" groups, and finally migrated into full blown anti-Semitism and white supremacism. Some people who drift in this direction, like Pat Buchanan, stop short of going as far as Sobran has.

This tendency is not just a Catholic phenomenon, as might be suggested by the names of Sobran or Bucahnan. Texe Marrs, a fundamentalist Christian prophecy commentator (who is also vehemently anti-Catholic) has gone from a mainstream premillenialist with views similar to those of Hal Lindsey or Tim LaHaye to a full blown anti-Semite, now claiming that the Jews are essentially a demon-possessed race. Even nonbelieving libertarians like Justin Raimondo have shown tendencies toward blaming the Jews for everything that goes wrong in the world.

I must wonder if the movement from a mainstream position to the farther shores of politics is more of a pathology than a reasoned position based on the evidence.

[Valin]

from the Federal Observer

FOREWARD: Below is a column written by Joe Sobran. Mr. Sobran was formerly an editor at National Review magazine. National Review was founded by William Buckley and for many years it was regarded at the preeminent journal of conservative thought in America. But William Buckley was a coward. He was afraid to take on the power of the Jewish Party in America. So when Joe Sobran started writing articles that were critical of Israel, Mr. Buckley fired Joe Sobran. Now, in my opinion, National Review magazine is run by a worthless Neo-Con Jew when it should be run by a Pro-Life conservative like Joe Sobran.

Give me a break. I guess someone can be on the right and an idiot at the same time.

[Sabertooth]

Frequently of FR we will see articles written by Mr. Sobran, and see them held forth as some distillation of deep thought by those "true conservatives" of the paleocon right.

Worthless flamebait. The whole paleocon-neocon dichotomy is forced. Archane political labels have utility as shorthand generalizations, but little else.

So Sobran is a gossamer-veiled anti-Semite. He's a scumbag, no news there.

Are paleos therefore always anti-Semites?

What if one is a domestic paleo and a foreign policy neo?

Is there a foreign/domestic, paleo/neo checklist? Or a checkerboard, like the Libertarians use on college campus registration drives?

Here, select these colors in order of preference, send me $19.95, and I'll tell you your paleo/neo profile.

[St.Chuck]

Thanks for posting this. Mr. Sobran is one of the clearest thinking conservative pundits writing today. His commentary on social issues are very worthwhile.

[Graybeard58]

"That sounds like a defiantly brutal denial that "all men are created equal."


...It could be that jewish people aren't taking their tips for survival from Abraham Lincoln.

[Mr. Bird]

The plague-carriers, so to speak, are the secularized, liberal, middlebrow Jews

There's no denying the bigotry here. The defining difference between a Jew and another is their religion. To state that secularized Jews are a problem of sorts is to state that there is something inherently sinister about them, regardless of whether they are devout or not. He may as well have stated they have horns.

[B-Chan]

Israel, warts and all, is the only outpost of Civilization — and by that I mean real, Western civilization, not the faux Arabic/Islamist version — in the Middle East. To oppose Israel is to oppose a part of our civilization.

Jews, warts and all, are God‘s chosen people. To persecute them is to persecute God.

For these two reasons, I support Israel and oppose anti-semitism.

There has existed over the years a conspiracy to destroy the West and the Christian faith that created it — but this is no “Jewish conspiracy”; rather, it is conspiracy founded, led by, and consisting mainly of atheistic intellectuals. Since intellectualism is part and parcel of Jewish culture, it is only natural that a certain number of the God-hating people who have promoted this conspiracy over the years have sprung from that culture. From Marx, Freud, and the Bolsheviks to the Woody Allens and Peter Singers of our day, a twining vine of anti-Westernism has wound its way through cosmopolitan Jewish culture, a vine that has provided ideological support for various anti-Christian, anti-Western, and various other revolutionary endeavors. But at the root of all of this hartred for Christianity and the West lies not Jewishness, but atheism — a hatred of God and His laws.

And a Jew that hates the God of the Jews is a Jew that has abandoned everything that is truly Jewish.

Hatred of God is hardly a sin exclusive to the Jews. Voltaire was not a Jew. Neither was Mao Tse-Tung. Nor were Robespierre, Napoleon, Nero, Stalin, Weishaupt, the Spanish Reds, the dictators of Mexico, or any of the thousand of other individuals and groups throughout history who have attempted to destroy God and the Western Christian civilization established by Him. Why single out those that were Jews?

Mr. Sobran is wrong. Jews – true Jews, Jews that honor the traditions, heritage, and God of their ancestors — are not the enemy; they are the truest friends we Christians have in this world. Hatred of God is the real foe of Western civilization, and of every human being. Let‘s fight the real enemy.