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Southern California Fires -- Live Thread 10/29
Posted on 10/28/2003 11:00:04 PM PST by lainie
Cal Fire Maps
http://wildfire.cr.usgs.gov/ca_geomac/viewer.htm
http://www.incidentcontrol.com
http://www.firedetect.ssd.nesdis.noaa.gov/Run.htm
Live online scanner feeds for fire, cops, CDF, air attack
http://www.live365.com/stations/kb6jag
FYI, this one gives pop ups if you use it.
No pop ups on this feed
http://www.police-scanner.info/livescan.htm
Another live scanner feed.
Click on Big Bear Feed
http://www.compucations.com/nuke/html/modules.php?name=LiveScanners
another live feed for socal, Verdugo Fire Communications Center
http://verdugo.ci.glendale.ca.us/radio.html
Simi Valley fire scanner
http://www.shoutcast.com/directory/?s=scanner&numresult=100&x=34&y=9
http://209.153.152.2:8888 lots of scanner chatter in Ventura county
CHP Dispatch
http://cad.chp.ca.gov/
CDF AIR CHANNELS
Red - 151.220 - Air to ground units Blue - 151.280 - Air to air Green - 151.295 - Air to air Yellow - 151.310 - Air to air Victor - 122.925 AM - Air to air for contract helicopters
List of channels for SoCal
http://www.qsl.net/ke6alv/
Get a copy of Police call for when you're mobile.
http://www.policecall.com/
San Bernardino National Forest
171.475 mhz and 172.225
123.9750 National Air Tanker Base Freq. 135.9750 Air ops 151.2200 CDF Red Air to Ground 151.2650 CDF Region 151.3100 CDF Air Tactics 6 151.3550 CDF Command Net 1 154.2650 OES White Fire 2 154.2800 OES White Fire 1 154.2950 OES White Fire 3 164.1250 Fire Camp Service Net 166.6125 "Command" Fontana area 166.8500 Air attack 167.9500 BLM Air to Ground 168.0500 NIFC Tac 1 168.0750 NIFC Tac 3 168.200 NIFC Tac 2 (Crew Net) 168.2500 BLM? "Command" 168.4000 BLM "Command" 168.6000 NIFC Tac 3 168.6250 Air Guard 169.1250 Calif. Fire Travel Net 169.0625 vehicle mechanics? 170.0000 Air to Ground Region 5 173.9125 Region 5 Tac 4 173.9625 Region 5 Tac 5 173.9875 Region 5 Tac 6 415.5500 National Air channel
HAM
145.220
Los Angeles Area
KNBC: http://www.nbc4.tv
KABC: http://www.abc7.com
KCBS: http://www.cbs2.com
KTTV: http://www.fox11la.com
KCAL: http://www.kcal.com
Good list of SoCal television stations and links to their websites:
http://newslink.org/catele.html
San Diego
http://nbcsandiego.feedroom.com/?fr_story=af0368e01c0323615f2e6f30970885b317fe905c
http://www.kogo.com/streaming.html
List of online TV and Newspapers in Ca.
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/opsd/np/ca.htm
2 posted on 10/27/2003 9:18 PM PST by spectr17
TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: firestorm; forestfire; michaeldobbs; socalfires; wildfire
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To: Fitzcarraldo
nuttin will save that mtn now. 5 years of drought and mismanagement by NF supervisor, high wind, low humidity,
Mother Nature gonna win this one
2,381
posted on
10/29/2003 7:31:37 PM PST
by
spectr17
(Veni, Vedi, Velcro. I came, I saw, I stuck around)
To: petuniasevan
I'm soo connfuuuuuused
(about what's burning and what isn't up there)
To: finch
It is probably time to file a class action suit against The Sierra Club and Earth First. I would love to get these morons into court under cross examination after testimony from a zillion forestry experts..... Hopefully, we can throw ELF in there.
Although it would hurt the case, I'd live to see PETA an ANSWER sued as well, since they all have the same goal - the elimination of the USA. Or perhaps we can stay focused and fight those battles in other ways.
2,383
posted on
10/29/2003 7:31:54 PM PST
by
meyer
![](http://www.foxnews.com/projects/photo_essay2/102403_wildfires/photos/102903_wildfires_hug.jpg)
This one breaks my heart. A dad comforting his little girl as he roots through the rubble of his home trying to find anything that is salvagable.
To: dogbyte12
In OKC, they are collecting feed for livestock including horses and food for pets to be delivered out to SoCal to help care for the animals that are displaced. The feed store said sometimes people forget about the animals.
2,385
posted on
10/29/2003 7:31:59 PM PST
by
PhiKapMom
(AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
To: sf4dubya
Geez. Late. Need sleep. ArrowBEAR.
Looks like the fire might be going around them.
Not what I would have expected.
To: dogbyte12
If there is anyway someone could post phone numbers, addresses, some way to contact them in order to help out, it would be appreciated.
To: PhiKapMom
what a great idea
To: Letitring
I will try to find phone numbers, addresses on the net. Call your local salvation army though, and see if they are earmarking a fund for So Cal. Might be the best way to give.
To: null and void
*smootch*Aw shucks, nully!
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2,390
posted on
10/29/2003 7:34:15 PM PST
by
viaveritasvita
("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
To: dogbyte12
If you attack one of us, you've attacked all of us, imo. Unable to comprehend the scope of this tragedy and then to think these fires were deliberately set...
To: dogbyte12
Perhaps she is comforting him.
Children are like that.
scanner= calling for any group up in lytle
To: spectr17
Unfortunately your comments about losing the mountaintop seems to becoming reality.
They keep talking about marine air helping to put out the fires. Do they not realize that marine air doesn't reach up to the SB mountains? It never even reached where I lived in Yucaipa except on a rare occasion. Would have to drive down into the marine air.
2,394
posted on
10/29/2003 7:35:25 PM PST
by
PhiKapMom
(AOII Mom -- Don't forget to Visit/donate at http://www.georgewbush.com)
From a writer buddy who lives near Devore, the Old Fire.
FIRE MANAGEMENT NEEDS TO CHANGE -- Jim Matthews column 29oct03
Fires created by mismanagement of local forests
Outdoor News Service
Like many Southern California residents this past weekend, I spent the days in my neighborhood helping friends and family evacuate as flames approached their houses. We stood at the back fence of my in-laws and watched flames leap 40 feet into the air, feeling the heat on our faces, with shovels in hand ready to douse hot embers on their property while firefighters knocked the flames back. My neighbor and I stood side-by-side at the back of our yards at 2 a.m. with binoculars marveling at the wind-whipped inferno 1/2-mile away burning across the mountainside, and we worried about neighbors' homes ahead of those flames, homes that would be burned to the ground the next morning.
Most of us had been through this before in 1980 when the Panorama Fire scorched some of these same neighborhoods, burned up to the same back fences, ripped across the same mountain sides, pushed by the same Santa Ana winds. The residents who'd lived through it before had learned from it. Shake roofs were replaced, yards became sparser with vegetation, wood fences were replaced with block or chain link, brush was keep down in the horse properties, barns and hay bales set well away from homes. They had learned, fearing, perhaps knowing, that it could and probably would happen again.
Those of us who've lived through it twice now are still unsure the state and federal agencies charged with managing the public lands that fuel these massive fires have learned anything. Fire breaks, controlled burns, and vegetation removal are still mostly hobby activities for the U.S. Forest Service. They are not being done to the extent and with the dedication and planning they need. Management, and the manipulation that the word "management" implies, is still an alien activity for agencies that need to manage the ground to help control fires while benefiting the wildlife and recreational users on the forest.
As this was written Wednesday this week, fires had consumed an area 3/4s of the size of Rhode Island, hundreds of homes had been burned, over a dozen lives lost. Santa Ana winds were decreasing, but fire fighting resources were thinly stretched from San Diego to Ventura counties. It looked like it was going to get worse before it got better. My own neighborhood was still choked with smoke.
The problem is easy to pinpoint: massive stands of dense brush and dead timber, and funds used for other things that should be directed to solving this problem. The solution is on-the-ground management that not only helps solve the fire threat but would be a massive benefit for all wildlife. I'm not sure what else the Forest Service should do if it can accomplish those two goals.
During the early stages of the fire burning near Lytle Creek, I was hoping the flames would run up the mountain through San Sevaine and down into the North Fork of Lytle Creek -- through what used to be some of the best deer and bighorn sheep country in the region. The fire would be a benefit. This area hadn't burned in decades and the wildlife was choked out. That happened because of Forest Service inaction in action. In all the tragedy, if there was a benefit to the Lytle Creek portion of the fire, it was simply that it burned sheep habitat that needed to be burned.
Since I first started following bighorn sheep management in 1970-something, our herd in the San Gabriel Mountains has plummeted from a conservative estimate of 700-plus animals to a generous 100-or-less estimate. Until one small burn last year, there has never been a controlled burn in sheep habitat, and most wildfires were hammered before they reached sheep country, tankers bombing ridges with fire retardant in wilderness while homes were threatened three miles away in foothills.
The U.S. Forest Service and state fire agencies need to get back to managing the forest resources with two things in mind, wildfire and wildlife. We need to prevent massive fires not fear them. Here in north San Bernardino, we have a clean slate for the Forest Service to work with on this south facing slope of the San Bernardino Mountains: the hills are bare and ashen.
We were promised after the Panorama Fire, that such an event would never happen again. But now it has. Will we have hollow promises again or action? Fire breaks insulating the residential areas from future catastrophic fires need to be mapped, created, and maintained. A grid of additional fire breaks and brush clearance can be bulldozed so controlled burns can be set annually to keep the chaparral in a healthy patchwork that is good for wildlife and would help to stop huge wildfires or suppress those fires when they do burn. A similar system is needed in forested areas on the top of our mountains where drought and bark beetles have killed more trees than should have been destroyed if we'd just been managing our forests intelligently. Management is better than a vast blackened landscape with hundreds of destroyed homes.
Investing in proactive management would do three things: First, it would make incredible economic sense. The cost of fighting huge fires is astronomical and just a small percentage of those costs could be diverted to maintain a healthy forest. Second, it would help protect the public safety, saving lives and billions of dollars in lost property. Lastly, it would be a boon to wildlife.
As one of my buddies said to me Monday morning. "This is horrible, but at least we're going to have good deer hunting for a few years."
If the ground were managed properly, we should always have good deer hunting and the fire danger would be far, far less.
2,395
posted on
10/29/2003 7:35:26 PM PST
by
spectr17
(Veni, Vedi, Velcro. I came, I saw, I stuck around)
To: azGOPgal
Sure, any pesticide that is legal to use.
1. Spray pesticide
2. Take out infested trees
3. Log and clear brush/undergrowth
4. Do healthy burns
5. Get rid of the enviro-wacko junk science
2,396
posted on
10/29/2003 7:36:02 PM PST
by
Oorang
( If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?)
To: petuniasevan; Brad's Gramma
How odd. Scanner guy sez it's sprinkling up there - Crest area. Hope it's true.You and me both! I asked everyone I know to pray for a miracle -- rain!
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2,397
posted on
10/29/2003 7:36:06 PM PST
by
viaveritasvita
("When Love takes you in, everything changes.")
To: lainie
OK :) glad to hear you are not drooped over the keyboard. You have been most valuable to this thread.
2,398
posted on
10/29/2003 7:36:25 PM PST
by
Revel
To: nicmarlo
To: Oorang
Now the beetle kill is spreading down into the valley (where I live) at the base of the Mt. The forestry dept, just a few months ago, put out these trap boxes, to catch bugs to get a count. We just laughed.Any insecticide that is effective will be made illegal if it isn't already illegal. That's the mark of the left. I have 3 jugs of diazanon concentrate left. They will have to pry them from my cold, bug-free hands.
2,400
posted on
10/29/2003 7:37:02 PM PST
by
meyer
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