Posted on 10/17/2003 2:03:11 PM PDT by mr_griz
I look at the documentation on the site(Terri) and I see only accusations and experts who agree to the other family line.(I would expect that)
I have also seen the sad videos and I understand the emotional nature of this.
I came to the conclusion that it is really none of my business to intervene. To do so would damage the living will system and make it likely that medical professionals will begin to shift all of these decisions to the courts, as they can no longer take the word of a spouse or patient.
This worries me, as our courts have little business deciding these issues. Look what happened with abortion.
Lastly, I have seen some pretty rotten comments on these threads to include death threats and threats of harm to others.
Something smells here and it is not necessarily the court's decision. I would hope that lurkers who have gotten a eye full of this do not get the impression that these sentiments represent FRee Republic.
Because it does not.
Why would you not hold the husband who maimed her, with intent to kill, responsible?
Why would you not hold the judges who support the euthanasia/execution responsible?
Why would you not hold the district attorney who did not investigate her "collapse" because of real battery by her husband, responsible?
Blame them first, and leave Jeb alone. Replace them with law-abiding, life-loving Republicans OR Democrats, instead of the ones on the frontlines of this situation.
So basically, you want us to take everyone who's either harmed her, or been in a position to help her but refused, and hold their feet to the fire -- except for Bush?
No, I don't think so. That's not how it works, sorry.
I sized you up for a troll, and you're convincing me I was right. If you'd even bothered to look, you'd have noticed that I've already posted the links -- in THIS thread -- as have others.
But nope. You just want to shoot from the lip, and play your stupid games.
Well guess what? I ain't playing your game.
Bye now.
Convinced?
I'm not so sure that's the right word for it, but whatever. The evidence to the contrary is overwhelming. Take a look at what the Thomas More Law Center and the other experts that were solicited by Bush had to say.
They said the same things we've been saying in these threads.
This stuff is so obvious that you'd think they'd be embarassed to even pretend there's some controversy. But, I guess having the power of life and death in your hands -- with no one willing to challenge it -- can go to a fella's head. So, they get cocky. They pretend the obvious lie is the truth.
That's life in this corrupt little ball o' dirt.
I haven't seen any of that. Do you have any links to support that claim?
Living wills are fine, and should be written and used by people...but when it gets down to your own daughter (and I have three who are in their twenties) being starved and dehydrated to death...all of that goes out the window in my opinion.
Legal documents are only good and meaningful in an environment where the basic tennants of morality, honor and common sense reign. This case is one where those principles are being walked on IMHO...and some people will in fact fight to keep that from happening because it represents a drirection that is the antithesis of everything this nation and its legal system was built upon.
In this case, it is the responsibility of the parents and family members to try and save Terri...if it came down to it, and their only recourse was to physically take her from that tortuous death...well, for the reasons I have already opined on this thread, I would support them in that decision.
Just my opinion.
Is there anything we can learn from this?
When they came for the Catholics?
When they came for the Baptists?
When they came for the fundamentalists?
When they came for the agnostics?
When they came for the physically disabled?
When they came for the mentally disabled?
Just something for all of us to think about -- is this picture larger than we currently see it?
The burden must be on the other side in this...and they have not shown anything more than hearsay at the best...and that from a suspect witness IMHO.
...and for this the judge is willing to kill Terri. Shameful..and dangerously wrong on its face.
Hearsay evidence from husbands or others who may or may not have the other persons best interests at heart just don't cut it. At least it shouldn't. Think of the possibilities:
'Uh Judge, to be honest with you I tried to kill her, but now she's only in a coma. But I can get my sister and friend to swear that she said that if the time ever came where ahe was in a coma she would rather starve and die of thirst.'
If it were my daughter she would have been out of hospice a long time ago.
That is 3 replies to me, and still no answer. A link is hardly an answer to a simple question. Was is a statement she made verbally? A written statement? Her parents interpretation of her wishes? The doctors interpretation of her actions and movements?
Is it really that hard for you to answer the simple question. You said it was known that she wants to live, I merely asked you how you come to that conclusion. This is not a game, I am curious, as that would probably change my mind. I have yet to hear that claim made or substantiated - that she has expressed her wished to live.
I am aware of much of the speculation about her wishes, so you do not need to point me to that.
You are the one playing a game. My thoughts are clear and have been on every Shiavo thread I post to. I would error on the side of the individual rather than on government interference in medical decisions. I see a different slippery slope that others here - I see one where 3rd parties and the government try to make medical decisions for individual on the claim that they are promoting life.
If there is abmibuity, life should always be chosen. But if a clear intention is expressed by an individual, it should not be overidden by the State....regardless of the protestations of well meaning persons.
Any one at all.
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