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All US planes being searched
Fox News Cable | Oct 17, 2003

Posted on 10/17/2003 8:58:26 AM PDT by TomGuy

Box cutters, bleach found in 2 packages on Southwest Airlines plane.

All commercial planes in US currently being searched.

developing............


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airlinesecurity; nathanielheatwole
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To: TomGuy
Meanwhile, the Feds have issued carry permits to a whopping 48 of 66,000 pilots.
41 posted on 10/17/2003 9:12:38 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: muskogee
Nothing at all on any news outlet.
42 posted on 10/17/2003 9:12:47 AM PDT by Aggie Mama
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To: B Knotts
There is no way such a plan could work again.

Never say never. Don't jinx us all by saying that!

43 posted on 10/17/2003 9:14:05 AM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: marktuoni
Really? I clean our toilets with bleach and never bother to flush before using them. Never had a problem.
44 posted on 10/17/2003 9:14:11 AM PDT by twigs
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To: Aggie Mama
Fox & CNN are reporting it. I don't know about MSNBC.
45 posted on 10/17/2003 9:14:45 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: twigs
The bleach is diluted by water.(I clean ours w/ bleach, too.)
46 posted on 10/17/2003 9:15:00 AM PDT by FourPeas
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To: epluribus_2
Any day security finds any thing is a win for homeland security.

But, cleaning crews found this stuff in the planes AFTER flights.

47 posted on 10/17/2003 9:15:04 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (How do you tell two KKK members apart? Ask their wife. After all, she's their mother....)
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To: Rebelbase
Only if you ate asparagas earlier :-0)

Oy....I made the mistake of eating, first time ever, a LARGE helping of asparagus when I was a freshman in college. I just happened to be suffering from a kidney infection at the same time, and 20 minutes later I was frightened that my kidneys might have actually ROTTED and that I was in acute kidney failure......that's what I get for making a face and not eating asparagus at the family dinner table during my childhood. When I frantically phoned my mom in my misguided panic over the asparagus effect, she just laughed at me.

48 posted on 10/17/2003 9:15:21 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (successful, educated unauthentic latina--in Patrick Leahy's eyes, at least)
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To: humblegunner; Eaker
All commercial planes in US currently being searched.

Looks like I'll be very busy later.

(the folks reading this that don't know what I do for a living will be wondering)

49 posted on 10/17/2003 9:15:22 AM PDT by Flyer (We now return you to my regular tag line)
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To: All
Fox news story here.
50 posted on 10/17/2003 9:16:01 AM PDT by FourPeas
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To: hispanarepublicana
{ What else besides ammonia is bad with bleach? }

Red Devil Lye (drain cleaner)
51 posted on 10/17/2003 9:16:01 AM PDT by Dixie Pirate
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To: TomGuy
The Dangers of Mixing Bleach and Ammonia

Often, one looks at a bottle of bleach and wonders, 'Why shouldn't this be mixed with ammonia?' If you know how dangerous chlorine gas is to humans (it was used as a chemical weapon during World War I and later by Nazi Germany in World War II), this will be very apparent. This entry will tell of a few reactions that can occur when bleach and ammonia are mixed in various proportions - the release of chlorine gas is just one of these. In the following sections, the header will be the name of the most dangerous compound produced in the reaction shown. Please, do not try any of this at home.

Chlorine Gas (Cl2)

That warning is there to protect you. Household bleach has a chemical formula of NaOCl - that is, one atom each of sodium, oxygen, and chlorine. Its chemical name, for the curious, is sodium hypochlorite. Ammonia has a chemical formula of NH3, that is, one atom of nitrogen and three atoms of hydrogen. When these two compounds are combined, the following reaction takes place:

2(parts)NaOCl + 2NH3 --> 2NaONH3 + Cl2.

Do you see that Cl2 on the right hand side there? This means one part chlorine gas, made up of diatomic (two atom) molecules. It also means that the chlorine gas has been liberated from the bleach, and is quite capable of causing you harm when inhaled!

The Pain! The Pain!

To understand the effects chlorine gas has on the body, we first need to understand the chemical properties of chlorine, particularly its valence, or number of chemical bonds chlorine can form. Chlorine is in the seventh of the traditional groups of elements, one before the group of inert gases, which, as their name suggests, are almost completely unreactive. Chlorine has seven electrons in its outer electron shell.

The Octet Rule states that all elements try to fill in their outer electron shell until they have eight electrons. When a chemical has eight electrons in its outer shell, it is then stable. Being so close to having 8 electrons in its outer shell, chlorine is quite desperate to get that one last electron - and will literally rip other atoms apart to do so. This is what happens to your respiratory system when you inhale chlorine gas. The gas tears into your nasal passages, trachea, and lungs by causing massive cellular damage. Obviously, chlorine gas causes a very painful death.

Nitrogen Trichloride (NCl3)

Another potential reaction, which occurs when a greater amount of bleach is added than ammonia, is this:

3NaOCl + NH3 --> 3NaOH + NCl3

That's sodium hydroxide and nitrogen trichloride. Nitrogen trichloride is a very toxic chemical to humans, and even if you did get close enough to ingest it, it would probably explode in your face first, as it is also a very volatile explosive. There is little necessity in explaining why that is bad.

Hydrazine (N2H4)

Still another reaction - in three parts this time - can occur, producing hydrazine (N2H4, a component of rocket fuel) if you have more ammonia than bleach:

NH3 + NaOCl --> NaOH + NH2Cl.

These two products then react with ammonia as follows:

NH3 + NH2Cl + NaOH -->N2H4 + NaCl + H2O.

One last reaction occurs to stabilise the reagents:

2NH2Cl + N2H4 --> 2 NH4Cl + N2.

This last equation is of particular interest because of the amount of heat it produces. The heat is so great that it usually leads to an explosion.

Danger!

As mentioned before, this article mentions some very dangerous chemicals. One should not ever, ever attempt to create the chemicals described above as it could result in injury or even death.


52 posted on 10/17/2003 9:16:06 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy
A little bleach in one small container--mix with ammonia from a second container--creates a highly toxic gas that is lethal.

Like chlorine gas and a bunch of other nasty things depending upon the mix proportions. See http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/classic/A795611

53 posted on 10/17/2003 9:16:16 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy
"Whoever left the bags on planes in Houston and New Orleans left notes that said the writer was concerned about security on airplanes. It is unclear when the bags were left on the planes."

It's beginning to sound like some guy concerned about security left them there as a reminder to the feds to get their act together. Sort of like "If I could do it, think of how easy it would be for terrorists to do it." His intentions may be good, but I shudder to think what will happen to him when he's caught.
54 posted on 10/17/2003 9:16:29 AM PDT by diamondjoe
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To: TomGuy
Friday, October 17, 2003

Authorities are searching every commercial airplane in the United States on Friday after someone left bags filled with claylike material, bleach and boxcutters on two Southwest Airlines flights, officials told Fox News.

Whoever left the bags on planes in Houston and New Orleans left notes that said the writer was concerned about security on airplanes. It is unclear when the bags were left on the planes.

Feds Searching All Commercial Airplanes

55 posted on 10/17/2003 9:16:31 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: TomGuy
A friend of mine was speaking with a Palestinian who got US citizenship by marrying an American, and he later divorced her. He told my friend, "We don't usually say this to people (meaning, we Palestinians don't admit this to non-Palestinians), but we're really glad about 9-11. The Americans deserved it. The Jews were behind it."

Just a thought for y'all.
56 posted on 10/17/2003 9:17:13 AM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: TomGuy
The best way to make air travel safe - and it's not 100% but I don't think that is achievable - is to put the onus of security on the airlines themselves. Tell the airlines that they are criminally and civilly liable for everything that happens on that plane. And then remoive the TSA and get the government out of the oversight role, and let the airlines set their own standards.

Yes ticket prices will rise, some airlines will go under. But those that do it right will thrive, and will be able to profit from their efforts. Sort of like a capitalist version of El Al.

57 posted on 10/17/2003 9:17:27 AM PDT by Cacophonous
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To: twigs
Now we're going to see even longer delays as screeners open each and every water bottle and sniff it for bleach. Bleach being clear, they wouldn't know it by sight.
58 posted on 10/17/2003 9:17:45 AM PDT by TrappedInLiberalHell (Hillary walks into a bar. Let's hope it leaves a nice bump on her forehead.)
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To: Flyer
(the folks reading this that don't know what I do for a living will be wondering)

I assumed from your FR name that you hang around under windshield wipers, advertising the hottest new clubs in town.....

59 posted on 10/17/2003 9:17:52 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (successful, educated unauthentic latina--in Patrick Leahy's eyes, at least)
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To: Catspaw
MSNBC is reporting it too. Conflicting details on CNN vs MSNBC. MSNBC says the stuff was found in the lavatories. CNN reports it was in bags left under seats.
60 posted on 10/17/2003 9:17:59 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (How do you tell two KKK members apart? Ask their wife. After all, she's their mother....)
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