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Elizabeth Warren endorses use of 25th Amendment to remove Trump from office
Washington Examiner ^ | 02/18/19

Posted on 02/18/2019 7:59:48 AM PST by Liberty7732

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To: Liberty7732

Fake Injun Squaw Emits Another Warped Smoke Signal!

(wow, she’s really nuts...)


41 posted on 02/18/2019 8:49:00 AM PST by faithhopecharity (“Politicians arent born, they’re excreted.” Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE))
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To: Liberty7732

We endorse charging her with sedition.


42 posted on 02/18/2019 9:00:20 AM PST by grumpygresh (The only check on a rogue DOJ and FBI is jury nullification.)
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To: TnTnTn

.the 25th amendment is invoked for physical or mental incapacitation


The 25th is the “OMG what do we do now? Amendment”. Until the atomic age, nothing could happen in the world that required a functioning President on a minute-by-minute basis. Wilson’s incapacitation was certainly on the authors’ minds as well as Ike’s heart attacks and the nightmare scenario of Kennedy not dying from the head shot, but lingering on in a vegetative state. Who could order retaliation if the Soviets chose that moment to launch missiles?

Not as you say, because ORANGE MAN BAD!


43 posted on 02/18/2019 9:01:03 AM PST by hanamizu
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To: Drango

The enemy is making itself very well known
time for cowboys and Indians


44 posted on 02/18/2019 9:10:08 AM PST by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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To: Lurkinanloomin
"Natural born citizens are NATURALLY citizens because they have only ONE nationality."
Time to post an NBC evaluation of Kamala Harris. You're an expert.

Once a female minority becomes the Dem nominee, no one will raise the NBC issue. If she's NBC then anyone of non-citizen parents born in the USA is an NBC. Thanks in advnce - give us something to pass around. ;-)

45 posted on 02/18/2019 9:25:45 AM PST by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Truthoverpower

Cowboys and Democrats...


46 posted on 02/18/2019 9:28:22 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses.)
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To: Tunehead54

FAKE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE

From DMZFrank | 12/22/2018 2:58:29 PM PST

The SCOTUS has never directly ruled on the meaning of Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the constitution with regard to POTUS eligibility. But in SCOTUS cases wherein they have given a definition of what a NBC (or a 14th amendment citizen in the case of Wong Kim Ark)is, Minor vs Haperstatt, Venus Merchantman Case of 1814) they defined an NBC as a person born of TWO, count them TWO citizen parents (the parents don’t have to be NBC) and born in one of the states of the Union, or the territories.

The authors of the 14th amendment, in the Congressional debates on the matter, also defined an NBC in the same manner. Rep. Bimgham and Senator Jacob Howard were the principal authors of the 14th amendment. Here is a quote from Howard which clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment in 1866, which was to define citizenship. He stated: “Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country.”

Until this matter is formally adjudicated by the Court, I will defer to their NBC stare decisis definitions. Harris, Obama and a host of others were not, are not, and can NEVER be constitutionally eligible to be POTUS.

Whatever one thinks what the meaning of Article II, Section 1, clause 5 is, it is clear that the adoption of the 14th amendment did not alter it in any constitutional sense. How else can you account for the fact that the constitution only specifies for the office of senator and representative citizenship for a period of 9 and 7 years respectively, while the constitution requires the POTUS, to be NATURALLY born, owing allegiance to no other country? That is the ONLY constitutional provision for NBC. Obviously, there is a singular distinction with regard to that office. Under Jamaican and Indian citizenship law, for instance, It is conceivable that Jamaica or India could claim that Kamala Harris, thru her parents, is a citizen who owes allegiance to both of those countries FROM HER BIRTH. It was conferred upon her by those countries citizenship laws, just as valid as our own.

By the way, Ted Cruz (who I admire very much) made a very public demonstration of the fact that he was going to FORMALLY renounce his CANADIAN citizenship. What NATURALLY BORN US citizen has to do such a thing?

The framers of the constitution were patriarchs. (Yes I understand that is completely out of tune with modern sensibilities, but nonetheless it is true.) They believed that the citizenship of the FATHER was conferred upon his children. SCOUTUS incorporated in toto the ENTIRE 212th paragraph of Emerich De Vattel’s Law of Nations in their 1814 Venus merchantman case as they defined what an NBC is. Here is the money quote that Justice Livingstone that was cited when he wrote for the majority, “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.”

I suspect the reason that many do not want this issue formally examined is that they wish to foster and enhance the globalist influence on the office of POTUS. The NBC requirement was never intended to be a guarantee of allegiance, but a safeguard against undue foreign influence on the office of POTUS, PARTICULARLY from a father owing allegiance to a foreign sovereignty. The oath of naturalization requires a formal and legal renunciation of any prior national allegiances.

Jennie Spencer-Churchill, known as Lady Randolph Churchill, was a natural born US citizen, and a British socialite, the wife of Lord Randolph Churchill and the mother of British Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill.

Under US citizenship law at the time of Churchill’s birth, despite the fact that his mother was a NATURAL BORN US citizen, she could not transmit her US citizenship on to young Winston owing to her marriage to a foreign national, Sir Randolph Spencer Churchill, who was Winston’s father. That would not be legally allowed until the passage of the Cable Act of 1922, well after Churchill’s birth in 1874. The Cable Act only confers citizenship, NOT NATURALLY BORN citizenship. It did not refer to, or alter the meaning of an Article II, Sec. 1, clause 5 “natural born citizen” in any way.

Churchill was granted HONORARY US citizenship by an act of Congress on 9 April 1963. It was understood that his birth to a an NBC citizen US mother in Great Britain did not make him a citizen by law.
This is just one more indication of the fact that Obama, Cruz, Rubio OR Harris can NEVER be constitutionally eligible to the office of POTUS. We need to have this issue finally adjudicated by SCOTUS for the first time in US history, and finally get a definitive answer one way or another.
We have enough naturally born anti-american, anti-constitutional cultural marxists in our country now who aspire to be POTUS. I say let’s eliminate all those who don’t even meet the basic Article II criteria. Winnow the opposition.

This matter is SCREAMING for a definitive ruling on the meaning of Article II, Section 1, clause 5, by the SCOTUS for the first time in the history of the US. It is revealing to note what Clarence Thomas told a House subcommittee that when it comes to determining whether a person born outside the 50 states can serve as U.S. president when he said that the high court is “evading” the issue. The comments came as part of Thomas’ testimony before a House appropriations panel discussing an increase in the Supreme Court’s budget in April of 2017. Thomas said that to Subcommittee Chairman Rep. Jose Serrano, D-N.Y.

After two Obama terms, I think they are terrified of the implications of a ruling based on originalist constitutional intent and interpretation. That does not excuse the cowardice in refusing a grant of certiorari for those who wish to have SCOTUS exercise it’s Article III oversight on this matter.


47 posted on 02/18/2019 9:29:57 AM PST by morphing libertarian (Use Comey's Report; Indict Hillary now; build Kate's wall. --- Proud Smelly Walmart Deplorable)
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To: Liberty7732

She’s been playing with her jar of mercury to long.


48 posted on 02/18/2019 9:32:21 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: Tunehead54

Neither of her parents were citizens at the time of her birth so she was born with THREE nationalities.

Obviously not a natural born citizen to those who can think logically.

The Ministry of Propaganda has convinced many that simply being born here is sufficient. That makes every anchor baby with no allegiance to this country eligible.

Ted Cruz fans take it a step farther and claim having one citizen parent but born in a foreign country is sufficient.

That makes Anwar Al-Awlaki’s kids born in Yemen eligible.


49 posted on 02/18/2019 9:35:11 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents_Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Liberty7732

She’s on a warpath.


50 posted on 02/18/2019 9:41:02 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.S)
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To: Liberty7732

This liar is such a poor, pathetic candidate for the Oval Office that she’d sign up for anything eliminating her major competition. Even if she killed off ALL her opponents, she’d still never win. A dog would be elected before her, and be far more qualified.


51 posted on 02/18/2019 9:51:52 AM PST by EinNYC
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To: Liberty7732

“Their loyalty under law is not to him personally. It is to the Constitution of the United States and to the people of United States.”

A phrase of convenience for the Dems.
If they’re thinking they can go after
Trump using the 25th, there wouldn’t
be a Dem left in office. (applying their
own standards). They’re ALL nuts.


52 posted on 02/18/2019 10:23:46 AM PST by Lean-Right (Eat More Moose)
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To: Tell It Right
I think that in 2020 it will be proven that elections no longer matter in this country. The fraud will be many times what it was in 201́. It was almost open and has been bragged about by Democrats quietly. The Republicans lost the chance to rectify the voting system when they did nothing about it before the 2018 elections. The Republicans know all about it but are happy with the situation. It can be fixed by Congress by allowing voting on only one day at designated physical polling places, positive ID, and very limited or no absentee ballots
53 posted on 02/18/2019 10:23:47 AM PST by arthurus (lll\_\_\_)
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To: Cen-Tejas
Actually they don t have to bother with "the other side" now. The fraud is such that they can manufacture vote count victories in plenty of states to win in the EC. They will go balls-to-the-wall in fraud in 2020 and the Republicans can no longer do anything about it. They ramped up the fraud in 2016 and more in 2018, actually winning a number of seats in Congress by almost openly manufacturing votes after the vote counts were complete. They got away with it. They know there is no barrier to fraud at all now. Some local illegal voters may pay fines or even go to jail as perhaps also some low level operators but that is zero problem to the perpetrators of the system, means and ends and all that.
54 posted on 02/18/2019 10:30:19 AM PST by arthurus (lll/_/_/_)
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To: arthurus

I fear that you are substantially correct.


55 posted on 02/18/2019 4:12:06 PM PST by Cen-Tejas
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To: Liberty7732

She has 25A.

I have 2A.

In a head-to-head contest, guess which one wins?


56 posted on 02/18/2019 4:13:46 PM PST by Paal Gulli
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