Posted on 02/12/2016 4:17:11 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Supporters of Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump have filed a federal lawsuit challenging the eligibility of Texas Sen. Ted Cruz (R) to run for president.
The suit, filed in federal court in Alabama, alleges that Cruz is not a "natural born citizen" of the United States, and should therefore be disqualified from seeking the office of president.
Cruz was born in Canada in 1970 to an American mother.
The plaintiffs, Sebastian Green, Shannon Duncan, Kathryn Spears, Kyle Spears and Jerry Parker, are all residents of Cullman County and supporters of Cruz's opponent, Donald Trump, according to AL.com....
(Excerpt) Read more at huffingtonpost.com ...
Again, you are incorrect.
According to the Constitution, Congress establishes ALL rules regarding naturalization. And under that authority (Article I Section 8) Congress’s will is reflected in Title 8 Section 1401 of the U.S.C.
Subsection A (per 14th amendment) establishes citizenship at birth for those born on US soil. This is where you get your citizenship from.
Because that state is simply WRONG. Congress is not limited to establishing rules for aliens. Congress is fully invested with the authority to establish ALL rules with regards to the broad subject of naturalization per Article I section 8.
Do citizens or aliens need to be naturalized?
Congress has specifically stated that one US citizen parent confers citizenship at birth regardless of location.
Natural born citizens don't need their citizenship conferred to them.
According to the Constitution, Congress establishes ALL rules regarding naturalization.
Who needs naturalization...citizens or aliens?
This is where you get your citizenship from.
First you said it came from USC 8 and now you say it's from the 14th Amendment. Such a changing of the goalpost shows your argument is specious at best and an outright lie at worst.
...the broad subject of naturalization...
And once again...do citizens or aliens need to be naturalized?
Naturalization rules determine who is a citizen and who is an alien. Congress has full authority under Article 1 Section 8 over ALL rules of naturalization. THE AUTHORITY IS NOT LIMITED TO JUST ALIENS!
Ok dont use the word confer, how about flows from parent to child or you could use the word establishes etc.
Aparently you do not understand US Code. Here is a web page to educate yourself: http://lawlibguides.luc.edu/content.php?pid=128348&sid=1101468
Code, statute, amendment, ALL have different meanings.
Once again all citizens and all aliens and all subject to the jurisdiction of Congress are subject to the rules of naturalization of which Congress has exclusive enumerated authority.
Who needs naturalization...citizens or aliens?
There are two paths to become a citizen of a nation.
1) being born a citizen by the rules established by that nation that governs naturalization -and-
2) being born an alien and undergoing the rules of naturalization established by that nation that governs naturalization.
You are strenuously avoiding answering the simple question of who gets to make the rules of naturalization? Our Constitution says Congress does.
I see "alien" defined and I see "immigrant" defined.
I do not see "citizen of the United States" defined there.
It is defined at 26 CFR 31.3121(e)-1 - State, United States, and citizen.
snip...The term "citizen of the United States" includes a citizen of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico or the Virgin Islands, and, effective January 1, 1961, a citizen of Guam or American Samoa.
Testicleless Trump gets his goons to do his dirty work. Too scared to do it himself.
I'm well aware of Congress' role in establishing a uniform rule of naturalization.
There are two paths to become a citizen of a nation.
1) being born a citizen by the rules established by that nation that governs naturalization -and-
2) being born an alien and undergoing the rules of naturalization established by that nation that governs naturalization.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA...everybody is naturalized and there is no natural born or naturalized distinction. You've morphed your "two paths" into just one.
You've jumped the shark with that one!
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1101
Note the following sub sections:
(3) The term "alien" means any person not a citizen or national of the United States.
(22) The term "national of the United States" means (A) a citizen of the United States, or (B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the United States.
(23) The term "naturalization" means the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever.
It is organic to a nation state to determine who is and is not a citizen. All nation states do this and it has long been established by law, who is and is not a citizen. Further, nation states often determine who is a citizen at birth due to the circumstances of their birth. The Congress did so in the very first Naturalization Act of 1790 and has done so in every naturalization act since.
Sen Cruz was born a citizen of the United States despite being born outside of the borders of the US because his mother was a US citizen at the time of his birth. Being born a citizen means that he was naturally born a citizen and has not, did not, nor has ever NEEDED to be naturalized after his birth.
Yet you've said that everyone needs to be naturalized by law to be a citizen of any kind.
You're contradicting yourself at every turn.
No, I said that a nation (Congress) gets to decide who is a citzen at birth. Congress has done so since the very first naturalization act of 1790. Sen Cruz is a citizen at birth and has not been naturalized per USC Title 8 section 1401 - Citizens at birth
You are the one who is confusing acts of congress (laws) that establish who is a citizen at birth with laws that naturalized aliens, both of which fall under the rules of naturalization.
Well then what statute naturalized him? If you say I was naturalized by statute then he must have been naturalized by one as well.
Then this...
Sen Cruz is a citizen at birth and has not been naturalized per USC Title 8 section 1401 - Citizens at birth
How is Cruz any different than me?
Those that are born on US soil (jus soli via 14th amendment) are covered under subsection A of that code. Sen Cruz, via the citizenship of his mother, per sub section G, was born a citizen of the US and thus is a NBC
And you've contradicted yourself in a matter of a few replies! He "has not been naturalized per USC Title 8", yet he has been "per sub section G" of that code.
Which is it?
Is it your contention that USC 8, Chapter 12, otherwise known as the Immigration and Nationality Act, doesn't concern only aliens and is not a naturalization law that Congress is duly empowered to enact?
He was not naturalized, he was a citizen at birth. That is what USC Title 8 section 1401 SPECIFICALLY deals with, citizens at birth. It does not NATURALIZE anyone. It is the rule of naturalization that identifies those who are citizens at birth. Thus the title of 1401. And because of subsection A, those born on US soil are citizens at birth; ergo not naturalized. I am a citizen at birth and have never been naturalized. I suspect the same applies to you as well.
Sen Cruz is a citizen at birth and has not been naturalized per USC Title 8 section 1401 - Citizens at birth.
He was not naturalized, he was a citizen at birth.
Incorrect.
My beliefs in summary:
1) Soverign nations determine for themselves who is and who is not a citizen as well as those who are in need of naturalization
2) Our Constitution specifically enumerates Congress with the power to establish ALL the rules of naturalization via Article 1 section 8.
3) The only limits on this power are found in Article 4 section 2 and the 14th Amendment.
4) Congress over time has enacted a number of acts which define the rules of naturalization starting with the first acts of Congress with the passage of the Natrualization Act of 1790.
5) That act was repealed and replaced by other acts such that we have the current U.S.C Tile 8 section 1401 which determines who is a US Citizen at birth and as such, does not need to be naturalized.
6) Under subsection G of USC Title 8 Section 1401, Sen Cruz is a citizen at birth.
That’s ok. They are just showing the world who (and what) they really are. It will go nowhere.
Go Cruz!!!!!
those on the other side dont.
My question is.....if Trump loved America so much....
then why did he support and donate mostly to the very same people, Democrats, that have been busily trying to destroy America from within? Can anybody answer that for me?
Note the hilarious, if not asinine, ‘all caps’ emotional displays coming from the Trump camp....lol.
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