Posted on 02/12/2016 4:17:11 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
Supporters of Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump have filed a federal lawsuit challenging the eligibility of Texas Sen. Ted Cruz (R) to run for president.
The suit, filed in federal court in Alabama, alleges that Cruz is not a "natural born citizen" of the United States, and should therefore be disqualified from seeking the office of president.
Cruz was born in Canada in 1970 to an American mother.
The plaintiffs, Sebastian Green, Shannon Duncan, Kathryn Spears, Kyle Spears and Jerry Parker, are all residents of Cullman County and supporters of Cruz's opponent, Donald Trump, according to AL.com....
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That is what USC Title 8 section 1401 SPECIFICALLY deals with, citizens at birth.
You're killing me! My sides are hurting from laughing so hard.
USC Title 8 section 1401 SPECIFICALLY deals with, aliens being granted citizenship at birth through a naturalization statute Congress enacted.
I give up. You're so confused and you've twisted this whole issue so out of reality nobody will be able to hold a meaningful conversation with you.
Just answer me this...Is U.S.C Tile 8, Chapter 12 a rule on naturalization?
Of course he’s eligible.
The question is simple - was he ever naturalized? No. Because his citizenship was granted at birth. By definition, that’s natural born citizen.
But what’s really awful is that Trump is making it a campaign issue, but only as leverage. That reveals him to be a man not of principle, but of politics.
I’m wearing of arguing. You will not hear from me, sorry I noticed you.
Well per my prior post, the naturalization process occurs AFTER BIRTH. If one is a citizen at birth, then one is naturally born a citizen. I fail to see why you refuse to accept that simple fact.
Since we have identified our point of disagreement, the really is no further need to continue.
Yet you also state that...
That is what USC Title 8 section 1401 SPECIFICALLY deals with, citizens at birth.
INA: ACT 301 - NATIONALS AND CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH
And I agree with you, the naturalization process can happen after birth. However, I know that it can also happen at birth as well and it is plainly seen in the law.
...then one is naturally born a citizen.
You know, that's just plain sloppy. Playing off "naturally born a citizen" as equal to the actual 'term of art' "natural born citizen" is an imbecilic act.
This supposition of yours is demonstrably false. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1101
Note that this is the definitions portion of title 8. Look down to #23 which reads:
(23) The term "naturalization" means the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever.
So here is your opportunity to admit your mistake. If you can't admit that naturalization ONLY confers nationality after birth, then you are not being intellectually honest in this discussion.
Don't be an ignorant dumbass! How soon after birth is "at birth"?
How quickly can a birth record be drawn up? The first day?
The first few hours or even an hour after delivery once the parents name the child and its gender is determined?
Use your brain, man!
Snip...Citizenship at Birth for Children Born Outside the U.S. and its Territories
Snip...Automatic U.S. Citizenship After Birth - But Before the Age of 18
Maybe you could try and get the people at USCIS to admit that they're wrong and they don't know what they're talking about.
So now all you have is name calling? The first rule of debating is that the first person that has to resort to name calling loses the debate.
So here is your last opportunity to prove your point. I have show you where the legal definition of naturalization is applied after birth. You disagree. Fine. Support your position by showing that according to law, code or statue naturalization occurs prior to or at birth.
If Cruz won, would you not agree they’d be going here anyway?
If there’s nothing to it, then let’s establish that completely now. If Trump fades, Cruz is the next best candidate.
Besides, if Trump wins, Cruz on SCOTUS would work just fine. I’m surprised Trump didn’t have him on his list last night - only candidate that had one, including Obola.
Support your position by showing that according to law, code or statue naturalization occurs prior to or at birth.
Why not simply link to your own words instead?
There you are again with your feeble attempt to equate naturally born to the term of art 'natural born'.
So here is your last opportunity to prove your point.
So here is your last opportunity to explain why you keep contradicting yourself.
Your words and your law. Why do you ask for what you already know and support?
Are you simply confused, trying to be deliberately deceptive or a straight out liar who will say anything to save face?
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