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Donald Trump’s Birther Argument: Rubio Is OK, Cruz Not Qualified
The Inquisitr News ^ | January 17, 2016 | Coburn Palmer

Posted on 01/17/2016 4:30:15 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Trump's "birther" theories have sparked a growing controversy in the Republican Party and critics are now using it to question the eligibility of Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and even Donald himself.

Donald's "birther" theories have sparked a constitutional lawsuit in Houston questioning Cruz's eligibility to be president, while Trump defended Rubio Sunday morning saying he was a natural born citizen.

Meanwhile, a strict interpretation of Donald Trump's own "birther" theories could call into question his own eligibility to be president because his mother was born in Scotland, according to CNN.

"I would note that the "birther" theories that Donald has been relying on, some of the more extreme ones insist that you must not only be born on U.S. soil, but have two parents born on U.S. soil. Under that theory, not only would I be disqualified, Marco Rubio would be disqualified, Bobby Jindal would be disqualified and, interestingly enough, Donald J. Trump would be disqualified."[continued]

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TOPICS: Campaign News; Issues; Parties
KEYWORDS: cruz; naturalborncitizen; rubio; tedcruz; trump
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To: Jim 0216
I happen to think a “natural born citizen” can be someone born in a foreign county to at least one parent who is a U.S. citizen.

Maybe this is a matter of generational differences, as my grade school education provided me with a definition of two US citizen parents as the requirement.

Heck, Reagan was the president at the time.

Anyone getting pissed at Trump for raising this issue needs their head examined.

21 posted on 01/17/2016 5:25:42 PM PST by Read Write Repeat (Not one convinced me they want the job yet)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My own understanding of Natural born citizenship is simply to be born to two current Americans parents wherever they are at the time. What is so hard to understand about this?


22 posted on 01/17/2016 5:26:21 PM PST by Crucial (At the heart all leftists s the fear that the truth is bigger than themselves.)
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To: RitaOK

The CFR crap was around during Cruz’s 2012 Senate campaign with Dewhurst attacking him for almost anything.


23 posted on 01/17/2016 5:30:45 PM PST by DrewsDad (Choose Cruz - The Consistent Constitutional Conservative)
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To: hoosiermama
Both of his parents were citizens at the time of Rick's birth.
24 posted on 01/17/2016 5:30:50 PM PST by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: RitaOK
Here's a 2011 article(and video):

A pit of vipers

25 posted on 01/17/2016 5:33:12 PM PST by DrewsDad (Choose Cruz - The Consistent Constitutional Conservative)
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To: biff

Yes, but few of your examples are members of the CFR, architects for the North America Global Initiative, if that is true, nor married to a sitting US senator, while representing the interests of a global brokerage house like Goldman Sachs.


26 posted on 01/17/2016 5:41:20 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: Jim 0216

I think so too. I read where in the days of the Constitution the definition was much stricter, however. Those who believe the Constitution is a living instrument rather than original intent types have certainly muddied the waters since, and have gotten by with it, upsetting courts with previous precedents designed for fudging original intent with leniancy.

It probably does need to be flushed out with clarity, but to put together a constitutional convention to get it done is very dangerous as it opens up a can of worms.


27 posted on 01/17/2016 5:46:46 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

On this Trump is wrong. Both of Rubio’s parents were non-citizens. Cruz, however, had an American mother.


28 posted on 01/17/2016 5:49:25 PM PST by Dante3
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To: Robert DeLong

Thanks Couldn’t find when. Knew they were both now
When Cruz brought up Trumps mother who was also naturalized before his birth thought well that would include Rick too.

My answer is for RNC to give settle law since there are so many examples right within the candidates. coincidencs? Maybe not

Jindall, Rubio , Cruz , Trumo , and Santorum that’s about a third of candidates that have some form of naturalization in the generation before them. The melting pot in view every time there is a debate

A decision that includes each of their background would certainly settle law in all facets.


29 posted on 01/17/2016 5:51:49 PM PST by hoosiermama (Make America Great Again by uniting Great Americans)
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To: DrewsDad

Yikes. Who wants to be associated with writing up a sweet little paper on North America relations between USA, Mexico and Canada, in the Obama years particularly, during the obvious global push for global interests, including Goldman Sachs. Oh well, the pay is good, right?

It doesn’t fit with conservative interests defending American sovereignty, in an era when we are being overrun with foreigners who are changing the essence of our country by remaking our population.


30 posted on 01/17/2016 5:58:00 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

trump’s birtherism is gonna implode is his face cause its soo nutty its gonna shake the nuts from the trees and in the end trump won’t be qualified to be president under the nuts definiton of nbc. Is so funny!


31 posted on 01/17/2016 6:04:54 PM PST by RginTN
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To: hoosiermama

There is no way Rubio passes the “natural born” test in my opinion, as both his parents were not citizens at the time of his birth. While he is definitely a citizen by virtue of his parents becoming naturalized after his birth while he was still a child, he is not a “natural born” citizen.


32 posted on 01/17/2016 6:05:43 PM PST by Robert DeLong (u)
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To: RitaOK
Tyler explained that Heidi Cruz, then an energy investment banker for Merrill Lynch in Houston, served as a CFR term member.

Her term expired in 2011, Tyler said, and she was one of 31 members assigned to the task force that produced the "Building a North American Community" report.

"Her contribution to the report was narrowly focused on economic issues," Tyler told WND. "She said as much in her dissenting view included in the report."

From Ted Cruz again battles 'globalist' charge against wife

33 posted on 01/17/2016 6:15:13 PM PST by DrewsDad (Choose Cruz - The Consistent Constitutional Conservative)
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To: DrewsDad

Thank you DD, for the clarification.


34 posted on 01/17/2016 6:20:44 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: House Atreides

You couldn’t take steps to have your British citizenship rescinded as Britain did not permit it prior to the late 50’s and would always regard you if you returned to Britain as British. Britain did change the law in 1958, I believe, whereupon when you took foreign citizenship you could renounce your British citizenship. I got my American citizenship in 1957 and am thus a dual citizen. My brother, who was in the U.S. Army, got his citizenship a year or so later, and was able to rescind his British citizenship.


35 posted on 01/17/2016 6:35:08 PM PST by kiltie65
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Rubio’s okay — I’m sure his lawyers have checked it out every which way — until he ties Trump in the polls in an important state or nationally.


36 posted on 01/17/2016 6:41:58 PM PST by lquist1
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To: EQAndyBuzz

“Cruz was born in Florida. No debate there. That’s why they are called “Anchor babies.”

Ted Cruz is a naturalized at birth U.S. citizen by the authority of the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952, sso there is not debating the fact he is a naturalized citizen and not a natural born citizen. Arnold schwarzenegger is a naturalized U.S. citizen, and he is not a natural born U.S. citizen as required to be eligible for POTUS. Likewise, Ted Cruz is a naturalized U.S. citizen, and he too is not a natural born U.S. citizen as required to be eligible for POTUS.


37 posted on 01/17/2016 7:32:49 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Marco Rubio is a naturalized at birth U.S. citizen by the authority of the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952, so there is not debating the fact he is a naturalized citizen and not a natural born citizen. Arnold Schwarzenegger is a naturalized U.S. citizen, and he is not a natural born U.S. citizen as required to be eligible for POTUS. Likewise, Marco Rubio is a naturalized U.S. citizen, and he too is not a natural born U.S. citizen as required to be eligible for POTUS.


38 posted on 01/17/2016 7:34:09 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Trump argument is that a person is not a US citizen by birth if he is not born in this country. That one of the parents is an American is not a qualification (not sure about both parents).

Can you imagine the thousands of persons who would now not be citizens?


39 posted on 01/17/2016 7:37:20 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Obama Rules of Engagement: Hands up Don't Shoot)
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To: Jim 0216

“I happen to think a “natural born citizen” can be someone born in a foreign county to at least one parent who is a U.S. citizen.”

A person can be a natural born citizen only by birth with no allegiance to a foreign sovereign at birth or after birth. This sole allegiance is typically accomplished by being born with two U.S. citizen parents in the United States or other circumstance in which the allegiance at birth is solely to the United States of America and no foreign sovereign. Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal, and Rick Santorum are people who acquired U.S. citizenship by being naturalized at birth using the Immigration and Naturalization Act. Being a naturalized U.S. citizen precludes any possibility whatsoever of being a natural born citizen.


40 posted on 01/17/2016 7:42:07 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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