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Let’s get real. Most Republicans would be fine with President Trump.
The Washington Post's Plum Line ^ | December 9, 2015 | Paul Waldman

Posted on 12/09/2015 9:47:17 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

The question of the day is whether Republicans, particularly the Republicans running for president, would support Donald Trump if he were to become the party’s nominee. Much as they might hem and haw when they get asked — many insist that it’s a moot point since he won’t be the nominee — the real answer is simple: Of course they would.

Let’s put what’s happening right now in context. Periodically, the political press finds a question candidates (and sometimes other politicians as well) are having a difficult time answering, and so they ask it again and again. It’s not necessarily a “gotcha” in that it has no answer that won’t make the candidate look bad, but its attraction comes from the fact that the reporter knows it’s going to make the candidate squirm. That doesn’t mean it’s not substantively revealing, however. For instance, a couple of months ago all the Republican candidates were asked whether the Iraq War was a mistake, and their answers did tell us something about what they’ve learned from recent history. Hillary Clinton is often asked how her plans on one topic or another differ from what the Obama administration has done, which puts her in an awkward position but also forces her to be specific about what course she intends to pursue....

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To: Albion Wilde

Well put. Same divisions doomed the Roman republic and other political entities. Perhaps the political opinions held and the divisions among men have a genetic basis. As Shakespeare pointed out the same characters emerge in every historical period perhaps with different dress and habits but remarkably similar personalities and behavior. It would seem that the epicureans always outnumber the stoics. When in a democracy they come to power, decline soon follows.


61 posted on 12/10/2015 7:04:10 AM PST by allendale
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To: Finny
how about defending Trump against Chapin's charge that Trump is a narcissistic demagogue with no respect for the Constitution?

Because the charge is completely baseless. When did you stop beating your same sex spouse?
62 posted on 12/10/2015 7:30:12 AM PST by JoSixChip
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To: matthew fuller

I will vote Republican, we have had to many Dems, I like Trump , but we have other great candidates. Hillery no way.


63 posted on 12/10/2015 7:35:35 AM PST by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: Yosemitest
Cruz: "Now I have not voted on TPP, and I haven't decided if I will support it or not, because the negotiation isn't complete. "

There's the lie, he did vote for TPP when he voted for TPA. obumber no longer needs the republicans to get TPP. That is what TPA was all about, giving obumber a free hand to give away American sovereignty. That is not what Cruz's base of support wanted, but it is what his big money presidential campaign donors wanted. Sometimes things are exactly what they seem.
64 posted on 12/10/2015 7:37:06 AM PST by JoSixChip
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To: Finny

I will vote for Trump. Vote for Hillary or Trump, the choice is yours.


65 posted on 12/10/2015 7:45:28 AM PST by Defiant (There are two Republican parties--the GOPe and the PRP (People's Republican Party). PRP will win.)
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To: justlittleoleme
i am not certain that he is running as a republican because he suddenly is a conservative or that he didn’t think he could win if he ran as a Democrat.

Because all the Republicans in office since Reagan have been so clearly devoted to the tenets of Republicanism. And you think it's about a party label, and not what he has been clearly saying:

Take care of vets
Rebuild a strong military
Stop illegal immigration
Revise trade deals to favor America and stop us being robbed by other countries
Build a wall
Reform the Iran agreement and get rid of the TPP
Do not allow potential jihadists in without strong controls
Simplify the tax code and exempt low-earners completely
Stop corporations from leaving the U.S.
Invigorate the private sector so there will be more jobs
Cut unnecessary government regulation
Get rid of about half the Cabinet departments, including Education and EPA
Get rid of Common Core
Replace Obamacare
How are those things not conservative enough for you?
66 posted on 12/10/2015 8:38:04 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Look, the establishment doesn't want me, because I don't need the establishment." --Donald Trump)
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To: Yosemitest
May YOUR LAND be confiscated by "EMINENT DOMAIN" to build ANOTHER TRUMP HOTEL !

Do you seriously think he is coming to get your McMansion, bungalow or double-wide? You'd be better off worrying about the Federal land grabs under Democrats and their environmental tsars. Trump has spoken against excessive Federal regulation nearly every time he gives a speech.

67 posted on 12/10/2015 8:42:35 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Look, the establishment doesn't want me, because I don't need the establishment." --Donald Trump)
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To: Albion Wilde

Because these are just words.....LOUD WORDS... but words. He has donated to the Clintons and had them at his wedding.... He has been a Democrat when it matched up with his goals and now is a Republican because it matches up with his goals(whatever that may be)

Back when Obama was running.... all people on FR hit him about his past and how relevant it was to predict his behavior as our future president.

For some reason the TRUMP fans all excuse his past with the democrat party like it has no relevance whatsoever with his behavior as our future president.


68 posted on 12/10/2015 8:44:17 AM PST by justlittleoleme (CRUZ OR LOSE)
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To: Albion Wilde

CNN LATE EDITION WITH WOLF BLITZER
Interview With Donald Trump
Aired March 21, 2004

BLITZER: Do you identify more as a Democrat or Republican? TRUMP: Well, you’d be shocked if I said that in many cases I probably identify more as Democrat. And I think you’d probably be shocked...

BLITZER: On social issues?

TRUMP: You know, it’s interesting, I’ve been now around long — you know, I think of myself as a young guy, but I’m not so young anymore. And I’ve been around for a long time. And it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans.

Now, it shouldn’t be that way. But if you go back, I mean it just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats...

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0403/21/le.00.html


69 posted on 12/10/2015 9:12:55 AM PST by justlittleoleme (CRUZ OR LOSE)
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To: justlittleoleme
He has donated to the Clintons and had them at his wedding.... He has been a Democrat when it matched up with his goals and now is a Republican because it matches up with his goals

Both of the best conservative presidents of the past century, Eisenhower and Reagan, started as Democrats and considered running as Democrats. It's not a communicable disease.

Business persons are constrained by the environment in which they are incorporated. When I had a business in a large Democrat-run city, I registered Democrat although I voted Republican, and went to Democrat fund-raisers, because I did business with city agencies and I would meet old and new clients there. Trump did the same in Democrat-run New York, because he was trying to do business then, not politics.

I am the same general age group as Trump. Back in the day, the Democrat party was not pure evil as it has been since their embrace of partial-birth abortion, gay marriage and the dissolution of American sovereignty, which has been the legacy of the Clintons and the Bushes.

So Trump kept his options open on both sides of the political fence to do business effectively, not to do politics. How can you expect any candidate, even Cruz if he is your man, to govern a nation that is half or more Democrat if there is no openness in your heart to the humanity of Democrat voters? A Republican president cannot just declare martial law and force Democrats do what he wants. There has to be an openness in one's heart to see that they need pity, re-education and leadership that recognizes the inevitability of compromise. Electing a conservative Republican will do nothing in and of itself to change their hearts: just the opposite, in fact.

That is why I think Trump's crossover appeal in the center is what we need right now. Turning a huge ship around is very difficult. He is someone who understands the engineering involved in making a deep sociopolitical change, and has been a negotiator all of his adult life. We need the way he leads. Plus, he will undoubtedly appoint Cruz to a vitally important position such as AG, VP or SCOTUS, so we will indeed not only gain his expertise; but after Trump has bulldozed a lot of the corruption he has called out repeatedly, Cruz will then be better seasoned and more familiar to the electorate so he can step up to the presidency when he is still in his 40s or early 50s. That would be a win-win.

Another of Trump's great strengths is his financial independence, which is what is enabling him to tell the truth right now and call out the mistakes and corruption. That is a gift to the American people of great value. How anyone could think that he would take the risks he is taking just for the sake of vanity is not seeing clearly.

70 posted on 12/10/2015 9:20:32 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Look, the establishment doesn't want me, because I don't need the establishment." --Donald Trump)
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To: allendale

An astute reply — something that’s sometimes hard to find on FR! Well said.


71 posted on 12/10/2015 10:44:57 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Look, the establishment doesn't want me, because I don't need the establishment." --Donald Trump)
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To: JoSixChip

Trump may not be a “real” or “pure” conservative, but he’s not a lying RINO either ... which is what makes him acceptable to so many conservatives who are tired of being lied to by politicians who pretend to be conservatives until they are elected.


72 posted on 12/10/2015 10:46:54 AM PST by glennaro
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To: trebb

I support Cruz and have donated to his campaign.


73 posted on 12/10/2015 1:49:27 PM PST by dschapin
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To: trebb
DITTO !
74 posted on 12/10/2015 2:20:48 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: JoSixChip
WRONG !

TPA and TPP were TWO SEPARATE VOTES, and an HONEST PERSON would admit that.
They are NOT the same thing!
I know it's hard for you mind-numbed robots to believe that you've bought into a LIE, BUT YOU HAVE !
Now pay CLOSE ATTENTION !

Now let's really take a close look at HOW the Trans-Pacific Partnership was passed. (It took me a long time to track it down.)

Now look at HOW TED CRUZ VOTED on THAT VOTE.

So EVEN THOUGH the "ESTABLISHMENT REPUBLICANS" attached this UNPOPULAR BILL to another Bill titled "Defending Public Safety Employees' Retirement Act", hoping that Senators would FEAR
So you can STOP TELLING LIES about TED CRUZ !

TED CRUZ
voted
AGAINST TPP !

75 posted on 12/10/2015 2:32:04 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Albion Wilde
And YOU'D be better off VOTING FOR TED CRUZ, the ONLY REAL CONSERVATIVE ON THE TICKET ! ! !

76 posted on 12/10/2015 2:36:47 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

It’s not about what you wish would work. It’s about what would actually work.

Sorry. Cruz is not ready; and the country is not ready for Cruz. Pushing him forward at this time in history and events is asking to lose — not just the general election, but the nation, and any hope of freedom.


77 posted on 12/10/2015 4:06:08 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Look, the establishment doesn't want me, because I don't need the establishment." --Donald Trump)
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To: Albion Wilde

You could NOT be MORE WRONG, even if you tried !


78 posted on 12/10/2015 10:53:01 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: dschapin
I support Cruz and have donated to his campaign.

Super!

Any reason why no mention about helping FR stay up? I have trouble grasping why so many seem to eschew support for a forum they use a lot - what would make it more appealing/worth a few bucks?

79 posted on 12/11/2015 3:57:58 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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