Rubio is an idiot. The majority of people on the no-fly list are foreigners in foreign countries that we don’t want anywhere near America. It is not only wrong to deprive Americans of their right to buy a gun based on a bureaucratic list but it’s wrong going in the other direction too.
If we tighten up the parameters of the no-fly list to the point that you have to have committed a felony to be put on it it will be useless for its intended purpose. Keeping shady foreigners with possible terrorist ties out.
“The majority of the people on the no-fly list are often times people that just basically have the same name as somebody else who doesn’t belong on the no-fly list”
Then what’s the point of having a no fly list?
Aren’t Cruz and Rubio in charge of oversight of the DHS? Seems to me that they have done a lousy job.
no need to, the 5th Amendment says it all.
Several reasons that can get you on the no-fly list.
1) Terrorist links (not sure what is a link? Visiting a radical website? Like Free Republic?)
2) Drug Use
3) Mistake made by FBI
4) Similar/same name as someone else
5) Twitter post or other public media post
The one argument that could be made regarding a no fly list for airplanes is that the airplanes are owned by private companies - and they should be allowed to ban whoever they want to from flying on their planes. Of course that isn’t how the no-fly list is looked at.
List of other reasons:
Oh - as if you couldn’t tell - unless you are going to try to fly somewhere on your firearm (flierarm?) - the no-fly list should not have anything to do with guns.
Although it may sound reasonable - it isn’t. Lots of other restrictions on firearms might seem reasonable at first blush, such as banning “assault weapons”.
Oh - here is Trump in his book “The America We Deserve (year 2000):
“The Republicans walk the NRA line and refuse even limited restrictions. I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I also support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun.”
The no fly list is a joke, at least as now run. Fox news reporter Stephen Hayes was put on it along with lots of other innocent folks. I trust that after due consideration Trump will decide that taking away citizens 2nd amendment rights without due process is a bad idea.
As long as ALL NO FLY list names are Muz
Stripping someone of their constitutional rights should be as difficult for one as it is for all. By that, I mean it should be as difficult to prevent one from buying a gun as it would be to prevent them from buying a book or newspaper.
The problem with the current no-fly list is that there is not sufficient means of redress. Once on the list, it becomes excessively problematic to remove oneself from that list. One can be added to the list on mere suspicion. This would create a dangerous means of stripping a person of their rights based upon a whim.
American citizens have been denied free access to flying because of Federal charges against them
Those charges, some deserved, some not (like a man accused and acquitted of child abuse, f'rinstance), have resulted in (because it's a Fed charge) a name being put on the list and it almost never comes off
There's a whole discussion surrounding secion 215 of the Patriot Act
The federal government has no warrant to control guns. They are, in fact, specifically prohibited from doing so. It’s time they were reminded of this fact.
When he went to the DMV to get his MD driver's license and change his car registration, he found he couldn't because he shared the exact same name as someone in Cali (which might have been a coincidence but who might have also stolen and or been using my friends identity, as it turned out using a former address of my friend), who had numerous outstanding tickets and no auto insurance. In the process of trying to get it straighten out my friend found out that this other guy also had a long criminal record including Federal drug trafficking charges.
As a result, for a brief time my friend ended up on the no fly list.
The irony was that my friend was a Commander, coming up on 20 years of service in the USN, in cryptology / computer sciences (with a very high level SC) and had moved to MD as his new assignment was at the NSA HQ, heading up a department that had something to do with, I kid you not - "Information Warfare". Of course he would never say much about what that entailed, nor did I want to know, all he did tell me was his unit sometimes wore the white hats - trying to the keep the bad guys out of our systems and sometimes the black hats - trying to break into the bad guys systems.
He was able to get off the no fly list and straighten out the DMV issues, but it took several weeks even with his SC and presumably his inside connections in the Gov.
While I tend to think such mistakes are the exception and that a majority deserve to be on it, I also figure if someone like my friend could end up on a no fly list, anybody can.
Pssst...If they can't get guns legally, they will get them illegally. They just have to call the AG office. They'll direct them to their favorite Mexican gun runners.
Just keep them out of the country, problem solved.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Denying someone's constitutional rights without due process of law equates to depriving them of their liberty. Riding on an airplane is not a constitutional right. The right to keep and bear arms is.
All candidates as well as current office holders should abandon this idiotic idea of a tie in of the no fly list to a firearm ban.
The problem with “no-fly, no guns” is that the Patriot Act allows virtually anybody to be added to the No Fly list for almost any administrative reason with little opportunity to appeal. This would allow virtual universal gun confiscation.
YUGE mistake, Donald
He said he will only consider the move.... so shame on Trumpians for attacking Rubio who makes some good points, given that after consideration, Trump could agree with Rubio. Shame on the haters, Trump doesn't have a position yet....
No terrorist yet has been on the no-fly list. If you had a list of all Muslims in the USA...how many would have been in that list? All if them! Gov gets approval for banning guns to people in ANY list and the bureaucrats decide who goes on the list and it becomes a no-gun list. This us VERY dangerous for the 2nd amendment!!! Stop it now!
If Trump didn’t own his aircraft and had to fly commercial, I figure the TSA would have him on the “no fly list,” just like they have put the names of several Republican congressmen and conservative columnist Stephen Hayes.
“”The majority of the people on the no-fly list are often times people that just basically have the same name as somebody else who doesn’t belong on the no-fly list.”
So the government is admitting their incompetence?
Fix the list then, it sounds worthless. Especially since Pakistani terrorists are allowed to fly, no problem.