Our Soldiers have Baptism by Fire.
I do not shed a tear for Achmeds Baptism by Water.
Posted on 04/28/2014 1:20:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
It’s been no secret for a while that Sarah Palin, erstwhile vice-president candidate, is no longer a serious political contender — for evidence of that transition, note that even among her faithful, at CPAC this year, she got just 2 percent of the vote in the straw poll, tied with Condoleezza Rice. But as her crowd-pleasing performance in the very final speech of that event — and her lucrative contract with Fox News and huge social-media following — indicate, she’s gone from being a potential political leader to something of a cultural totem.
That means her speeches have gone from being standard political pablum to something even more substanceless — more or less a long string of hokey but often amusing jokes. But for all the lightheartedness, her appeal is to a set of people who take seriously their commitment to faith and freedom, right? Well, should this line garner laughs from such a crowd?
Oh, but you can’t offend [Islamic terrorists], can’t make them feel uncomfortable, not even a smidgen. Well, if I were in charge, they would know that waterboarding is how we baptize terrorists.
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As Rod Dreher explains, this is pretty perverse:
"Not only is this woman, putatively a Christian, praising torture, but she is comparing it to a holy sacrament of the Christian faith. It’s disgusting — but even more disgusting, those NRA members, many of whom are no doubt Christians, cheered wildly for her. . . . Palin and all those who cheered her sacrilegious jibe ought to be ashamed of themselves. For us Christians, baptism is the entry into new life. Palin invoked it to celebrate torture. Even if you don’t believe that waterboarding is torture, surely you agree that it should not be compared to baptism, and that such a comparison should be laughed at. What does it say about the character of a person that they could make that joking comparison, and that so many people would cheer for it. Nothing good — and nothing that does honor to the cause of Jesus Christ."
Torture — waterboarding being something reasonable people may consider to constitute it — is and should be a question of grave moral consequence for Christians, and is for any Catholic familiar with the Catechism. Palin wasn’t even just jokingly comparing a serious violation of human dignity into one of the most important transcendental recognitions of it – she was mounting an expansive defense of something near torture, on the grounds that our prisoners ”would obviously have information on plots,” and therefore ought to, apparently, be subjected to a horrible practice not as a morally necessary last resort but a habit of quotidian intimidation. There’s a word for that kind of practice: barbaric. The Greeks used to use it to describe the other guys.
First time I’ve been called a Yahoo. If like Palin makes me a Yahoo, I embrace the term.
I wanted to like her but have never considered her ready for the major leagues. And her neocon sympaties are downright dangerous. She has the good looks and quirky appeal to do well on Fox. That’s where she belongs.
How far the mighty have fallen...
Islam makes barbarism look genteel. What’s this guys problem?
There is one in Ft. Worth, an hour away. Never been but hear it’s good.
With Reagan, that was horsing around with an accidentally open mic. With Palin, that would be the speech. She will never be in his class.
Can you honestly ever see RR shilling for torture?
Just as I thought.
I’ll probably get flamed for this, but a lot of the National Review conservatives - and maybe some of the Palin critics on this thread - still defend the dropping of atomic bombs on civilians during WWII, and that in my view is far more un-Christian than Palin’s lame comment about baptism. (By the way, I already know the atomic-bomb-saved thousands-of-lives argument - and reject it - so don’t bother. I also figure that Palin would also defend the use of the atomic bomb, but that is not my point, either.)
An hour North or South of you?
Bears repeating.
Was Reagan president before or after 9/11? Remind me.
Our Soldiers have Baptism by Fire.
I do not shed a tear for Achmeds Baptism by Water.
Heartless KC...just heartless...We need to put them in.... the Comfy Chair. That will strike fear in Jihadi hearts.
See? That Palin just can’t get anything right ;)
Excuse me; did you just say 9/11? Is that the universal answer now? Is that what statists are supposed to shout every time they want to yank away another civil right or constitutional safeguard? If you will buy that — and I think you will — I’ve no doubt some power-hungry despot will try to sell it to you.
My country has been thoroughly ruined, thanks to those eager to sell their freedom (and mine), whether for free stuff or for fake security.
I find your whole comment a non-sequitur to what's being discussed here.
So 9/11 was some minor speed bump to you?
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