Republicans spit on conservatives every chance they get. Now they are trying to cram a liberal pro-gay pro-choice establishment RINO down our throats.
I’m glad the Revolution occurred long ago. Some here would have called the Patriots loons for what they did and they would have backed the King against the Patriots. I would have fought then and I will fight for my beliefs now. I’m done with republicans telling me who to vote for. I’m sick of crony politics.
I will NOT vote for pro-gay pro-choice romney. If obama wins again, blame the spineless people who turned their backs on conservatism and their values to vote for AN establishment liberal RINO.
popcorn BUMP
Assuming Romney is the Republican nominee, what we should be doing is work to elect tea party candidates to both the House and Senate. If we are to be stuck with Romney as president(I WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM) we need to make the GOP-E’s life a living hell if they don’t “toe the line”. We need to control the debate in the congresses.
It strikes me that the real hurdle to a serious effort to elect a conservative instead of Mock Rombama will be the inertia of conservatives themselves, as we have seen on this and a ton of other threads.
“There’s no way a third party can win!”
Well, yes there is - if conservatives voted for it.
Remember, conservatives make up the plurality in this country. Conservatives are also not synonymous with “Republicans.” There are conservative independents, and even conservative Democrats. In a situation where you had three serious candidates, you don’t need 50%. You need closer to 40% to have a solid win.
If conservatives actually voted their consciences instead of resigning themselves to Romney, they’d win. The only thing stopping them is this institutionalised mindset. The GOP has them locked into a psychological profile not unlike people who have been in prison for decades. The thought of life outside those four walls scares them. They’d rather stay inside, even if means having no freedom and remaining in the terrible situation they are in. Likewise, a lot of conservatives simply cannot imagine life outside the GOP. it scares them. They won’t step outside of it, even when they’re stuck with a nominee who’s as bad as the Dem.
Let’s face it - fear is what drives a lot of so-called conservatives. Not just fear of Obama, but fear of stepping out and taking a chance. They’d rather play it safe and lose with Romney (does any sane person *really* think Romney has a shot of winning in the end?) than take a chance on switching their vote to a solid conservative third party candidate. They would only do so if they saw a lot of other people doing it, because let’s face it, a lot of conservatives - despite the way they like to pat themselves on the back - are followers, not leaders. They would deny it, but the reality is that they let the MSM and the GOP-E do their thinking for them.
Breaking this in-the-box mindset is the first step to breaking the power of the GOP and electing a real conservative candidate - even if it has to be done outside the GOP.
When is the last time a Liberal Republican won the Presidency? It's not going to happen.
GOP rest in pieces.
No matter how one slices or dices it, a non-Romney vote is still a vote for Obama. There is no reconciling that.
There are an estimated 115 million TEA Party aligned citizens in the United States today.
Just by garnering 70% of that caucus would yield 80 million votes. That’s 11 million more than Obama received in 2008 and 21 million more than McCain received in 2008.
The TEA party network is already established and battle tested. We’re ready to roll.
To place a TEA Party Independent ticket of Sarah Palin for President and Rand Paul for Vice-President on the ballot in all 50 states in time for the November elections would require about 750,000 signatures from registered voters and about $8100 for ballot fees. Do you think the various TEA Party groups across America could execute on this action in time for the November general election?
You Betcha!
In the meantime, the strategy for Conservatives, TEA Partiers, and Libertarians should be to vote for Ron Paul in the remaining primaries. If one is truly brave, they could even sign up with their local Campaign for Liberty group.
Americans Elect has already secured ballot access for the November election in 25 states. The TEA Party should have no problem doing likewise.
The TEA Party should retain Richard Winger of Ballot Access News as a consultant. He is this country’s foremost expert on ballot access questions and issues. His contact info:
Richard Winger
P.O. Box 470296
San Francisco California 94147
richardwinger@yahoo.com
(415)922-9779 telephone
Romney is very weak in the South and cannot beat Obama in the critical states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, and Wisconsin. Obama won all of those states in 2008 and if he wins those states again, he is re-elected.
Check out Karl Rove’s electoral map and Larry Sabato’s electoral map. Romney loses even if he wins all of the toss-up states.
A TEA Party Independent ticket could toss the entire election into the House of Representatives just by winning one of the rust belt states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, or Wisconsin. Of course, Romney would have to hold the South but if he were to fail in that task, a TEA Party Independent ticket could pick up the slack and keep those states out of Obama’s column.
Obama is the weakest President running for re-election since Jimmy Carter and, instead of running a Ronald Reagan [Sarah Palin] against him, who does the ‘Stupid Party’ choose?
Alf Landon [Mitt Romney].
This is your wake-up call TEA Party; NOW GET TO WORK!
“Real conservatives” have had three long years and a months long primary season to come up with a viable candidate to lead the GOP in November 2012. They failed. No one who put his arse on the line was every quite good or conservative enough. Why would anyone think that some magical knight in shining armor is going to blaze onto the scene now? And who, pray tell, might that ideal candidate be?
A necessary subject/thread.
I’ll bump it...to read later.
Thanks Yash. Yes, it’s a great idea to keep discussing ideas.
Already there are some slobberers who have posted here which is part of the problem with an open thread.
Actually, they are probably Mitt and his sons under different pseudonyms.
How ‘bout we start by ignoring any tiresome posters who claim repetitiously:
A. We will be responsible for Obama’a reelection.,,ie “Obama thanks you”.
B. Mittens is inevitable and we should get over it.
C. He’s the lesser of two evils and we should stop with our temper tantrums.
Okay? :-)
I think we need to put together a new party. It must be constitutional, conservative, and simple. It could be the Tea Party.
The platform should be straightforward and high minded. Something the Founding Fathers could get into. It should be clearly better for the average American to vote for than the amorphic Republicans of today.
This will take time, years, to become strong in number. This must happen because conservatives are wholly unrepresented in higher office in this land as it now stands.
I’ve sent money to every candidate I could support starting with Palin, then Cain, then Gingrich.
The rest of my little bank goes to FR and ammo reloading equipt.