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If he's right we're sunk. Read the comments, as well.
1 posted on 09/28/2010 9:54:31 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Sadly I do not see the GOP repealing or defunding 0bamacare. They might stop 0bama from doing anything else but given their previous unwillingness to reduce the size and scope of government, I just don't see them doing this.

Besides, any move to repeal this atrocity would be met with ads like "See? The evil GOP is trying to kill you!" and they will predictably fall like a house of cards.

2 posted on 09/28/2010 9:58:05 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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Of course it was they’re real goal. That’s why they did whatever it took, arm-twisting, payoffs, deem and pass, reconciliation. Anything to get the mechanisms enacted into law.

The answer is to completely defund it. Starve it. Then repeal it. Then burn it.


3 posted on 09/28/2010 9:58:51 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think that might be correct.


4 posted on 09/28/2010 9:59:03 AM PDT by GeronL (http://libertyfic.proboards.com <--- My Fiction/ Science Fiction Board)
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Things change after November 2010.

Either the government backs off and does things right, or the citizens initiate war.

5 posted on 09/28/2010 9:59:44 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Things will change after the revolution, but not before.)
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Depends on the timing ... Obamacare has a long way to go before it is implemented. Remember, it is the costs, not the benefits, that are front-loaded. That’s the window through which repeal can climb.


6 posted on 09/28/2010 10:00:27 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("It's amazing, A man who has such large ears could be so tone deaf" Rush Limbaugh 9/8/10)
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He is assuming that none of zer0’s policies will be rolled back or repealed - or at least parts of them.
What he doesn’t realize that November isn’t just about a short term victory, but the first step in restoring this nation - unless, of course, that feeling dies off.


7 posted on 09/28/2010 10:02:03 AM PDT by PMAS
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We (The Tea Party, Conservatives etc.) need to get a GOP dominated Congress and a conservative in the White House in 2012, and demand that they abolish Obamacare. And we need to impress upon them that if they don’t do this, then we’ll boot THEIR asses out of Washington and get someone who will.


8 posted on 09/28/2010 10:02:30 AM PDT by Signalman
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David Hume?



Really?

9 posted on 09/28/2010 10:05:03 AM PDT by shibumi (Speechless - for the moment.)
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A poet once said

“Always hopeful, yet discontent, He knows changes aren’t permanent, But change is”,

Nothing is permanent - Reidcare isn’t (it should not even be called 0bamaCare because he had little to do in writing it).


13 posted on 09/28/2010 10:18:21 AM PDT by Perdogg (Nancy Pelosi did more damage to America on 03/21 than Al Qaeda did on 09/11)
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(Passing ObamaCare was their real goal)

Yes, and dismantling and defunding ObamaCare must be THE main priority of the GOP if it wins the House and or the Senate. If establishment Republicans squander this opportunity that's being given to them by the hard work of the Tea Party, the GOP deserves to go the way of the Whigs. The GOP is rapidly running out of chances to stand for and accomplish something worthwhile - it's increasingly just a party of unprincipled, power-hungry mediocrities. Specter, Murkowski, Castle, the list goes on and on.
14 posted on 09/28/2010 10:21:53 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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[If he’s right we’re sunk]

Oh, he’s right and we are sunk. And you better hope we are going down like the Titanic, because that’s the only way to fix the problem.

We cannot physically pay for Obamacare. Period. And Republicans have no hope of turning that supertanker around in time before it hits the rocks. But neither can Obamacare be salvaged when it does hit the rocks. It is only out of the ensuing carnage that we have a chance of cutting out the deadwood. Will take 20 years.


16 posted on 09/28/2010 10:33:51 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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If anyone thinks that if we get a pub majority in the house and senate our work is done, think again. Without intense pressure the pubs will slack, reach across the isle, comprimise, and allow obamacare to stick. WE CANNOT ALLOW THAT! The Tea Party must continue its pressure unabated, maybe even more pressure than ever.

Even with the wind at their back i.e. public dissapproval of Obamacare, pubs will be hesitant to really go after defunding and especially repeal, its not in their nature to be that aggressive, but they will if we keep our boots to their neck. They will take the path of least resistance and we need to make sure that path is repealing obamacare and burning it to a crisp.


17 posted on 09/28/2010 10:37:28 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Defund, repeal, investigate, impeach, convict, jail, celebrate.)
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If Obama and the lamestreammedia have problems with the TEA Party right now, just wait until ObamaCare is fully enacted.


19 posted on 09/28/2010 10:44:44 AM PDT by Slyfox
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I will wait for the U.S. Supreme Court to have a shot at rolling the Obamacare monster back. Right now, that may be our best hope, rather than waiting for the Republicans to legislate it back.


20 posted on 09/28/2010 10:46:57 AM PDT by shortstop (Marco Rubio in 2010/General Petraeus in 2012.)
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He’s probably accurate. Still, it’s not quite over yet.

But we all knew that the Dems were willing to get creamed this year in exchange for taking over health care and our (remaining) freedoms away.

Unless ObamaCare is killed, November’s gains are a joke, no matter how massive they are. As soon as it gets bad enough, the Dems will campaign with “we can run it right, the Republicans can’t, that’s why things are so bad”. And 55-60% of the population will go for it and asked to be saved by the very people that are drowning them.

I am very sorry, but I believe nothing short of significant (probably violent) civil disobedience will slow this fascist juggernaut. And for all the tough talk here, I don’t see sufficient numbers of people willing to do that.

Most people will conclude that it is better to take the crumbs we will be given than to risk losing our property and lives in a quixotic quest for freedom. Too bad, but that’s the way I see most Americans.


21 posted on 09/28/2010 10:48:51 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s, you weren't really there.)
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Don't kid yourselves. The Tea Party may be on a roll, but if you think TRUE conservatism will suddenly take over the upcoming wave of shiny new RINOs heading to a majority congress for the next two years, you're going to be sadly disappointed ... and MAD AS HELL when the libs take it back in 2012.

What's it going to take?

25 posted on 09/28/2010 11:41:33 AM PDT by TruthHound ("He who does not punish evil commands it to be done." --Leonardo da Vinci)
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Well heck, may as well give up.


28 posted on 09/28/2010 5:20:26 PM PDT by dforest
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We'll see what 2012 looks like when 2/3rds of the Senate seats up for re-election are Democrats. Then we'll know if this is generational or not.

If the Tea Party anger is still stoked in 2012, I think it will be possible to repeal Obamacare.

-PJ

29 posted on 09/28/2010 5:24:57 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too ("Comprehensive" reform bills only end up as incomprehensible messes.)
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