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To: Spiff

Some of my experience was within the last year when I tried to help out someone.

Where we differ is that I know if Ms. Clinton gets in the WH, the entire conservative agenda is finished because she will carry with her enough Senate and Reps to control all three -- WH, House, and Senate. If I can do anything to stop her from getting the WH, I will. She will appoint liberal judges and there will be nothing we can do about it. Another couple Republica Senators lose and we cannot even filibuster -- they will have the 60 votes to support their causes because of some of our moderates. Doesn't take a lot to do the math and see we have a razor thin group of Senators that will stand up and fight. Right now we have the WH to pressure some Senators who might go off the reservation so to speak but without the WH we are dead in the water.

Risking Ms. Clinton become President is not worth it to me. I put any social issues aside and will support the candidate I think can clean her clock in the debates and in the election while bringing in voters from all walks of life which we need desperately to win.

I was a George Allen supporter before the election and still would be if he had won. I was all set to become part of the Allen 08 campaign in OK. After Sen Allen lost, I looked around at who was running that could beat Ms. Clinton and after much research and a lot of thinking it came down to Rudy or McCain. After that it wasn't a hard choice. With Romney, he waffles on what he believes. McCain, I don't trust after campaign finance reform and his flipping on issues. You know what you get with Rudy like him or not. This election cycle got an early start and the other candidates cannot raise the kind of bucks that are necessary to win IMHO.

Been around politics for many years and have watched the landscape change. The one thing that stays constant is that an agenda that I support has no chance if a DemocRAT gets in office. My #1 issue is national defense and the WOT as our family has been around the Air Force for the past 30+ years and that issue is at top of my list followed by law and order, smaller government, less taxes, and appointment of strict constitutionalist judges. I am States Right's person and believe social issues belong back at the state level. The President does not have the authority to overturn Roe v. Wade. Unless we elect a super majority in the Congress, abortion legislation is dead. Everytime a state passes a law restricting abortion the court gets involved.

That's why when I support a candidate for President, abortion is not even close to the top of why I support them. Now if you ask me about my Rep or Senator, you will get a different answer. They vote on the law and I support pro-life candidates for Congress. I have heard Rudy speak in person more than once and he would never veto an anti-abortion law but he won't have to because the makeup of today's Senate and probably the next Senate makes getting any pro-life legislation out of the Congress nill to non-existent.

To me losing is not an option that I want to consider because in the end losing means the DemocRATs will control all three. When Bill Clinton took over in 2002, they had all three but times were different. We had David Boren, Sam Nunn and other reasonable Senators but we don't have that luxery today. We have the far left for the most part in charge right now -- socialist in some cases. Times have changed and with that change of the Dems going so far left in leadership, we have no choice IMHO but to support the Republican who can defeat Hillary with money, charisma, and support from Republican Conservatives like me who put the safety of our Nation over everything.

Now you know why I support Rudy.





543 posted on 01/28/2007 9:56:45 PM PST by PhiKapMom (Broken Glass Republican -- Rudy/Steele -- Take back the House and Senate in 2008)
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To: PhiKapMom
Now you know why I support Rudy.

First, electing the most pro-abortion Republican candidate in history to the highest office could never be considered pro-life. Giuliani has openly stated that he's against overturning Roe v. Wade and we're only one judge away from that. It is critical that we get a pro-life President into office for that very reason. Giuliani is more pro-abortion than most Democrats.

There are other viable candidates who can be counted on to appoint a justice that will overturn Roe v. Wade. Then, at least, some states can outlaw abortion on demand and we'll finally make progress in saving the children. We're this close and we're not going to get there by trying to put Giuliani into office.

The gamble it far to big. If Giuliani is elected in the Primary, he will not likely win the General. He will split the Republican vote because, no matter how much it angers you, conservative Republicans will stay home in droves. His views on nearly every issue are profoundly offensive to those core conservatives who learn just where he stands. The baggage he's got from his term as Mayor, and I've touched on some of it here, will turn Democrats and Independents away as each scandal is broadcast by the Democrats. He will not be able to stand on any principles or points because they'll be able to point to questionable things that he did, or that happened, while he was mayor and turn his supposed strengths into liabilities. He won't be able to run on his "great" record as mayor if he has to also keep running away from that same record.

I know that the War on Terror - the war against islamofascism is a top priority to you. But I will tell you that there is nothing that the islamofascists are doing or will do to us that is any more heinous or barbaric than what we in America do to 1,300 children every day. There is nothing that happened under Saddam Hussein in Iraq that greatly exceeds what happened right there in your hospital room and elsewhere around our own country as we LEGALLY murder children every day through partial birth abortion.

I don't see how anyone can oppose the barbarism of the islamofascists while condoning or even supporting the barbarism committed legally within our own country. The culture war sees far more death and destruction than the war on terror. The culture of hedonism and death has already claimed 45,000,000 children since 1973 when our own country's highest court exceeded its constitutional bounds and restricted the states from stopping the slaughter within their own borders. The butchers are now protected by our own government and no one is allowed to stand in the way of the slaughter they engage in.

Groups like NARAL openly support the unfettered continuation of this slaughter. Giuliani is a "champion" to NARAL, has received awards from them, has praised them, and has even publically stated that he believes that the bloody slaughter is a VALUE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. The very Party that you've spent years supporting. He wants to hijack the party with his pro-death philosophy. I know you read his own words that I posted in a recent thread. He wants to do that to the Republican Party and the nation itself. And then, the kind of thing that happened right there in your hospital room will happen even more often and neither party will be there to stand up for the unborn.

Whether Rudy wins or Hillary wins, the pro-life movement will be set back incredibly. But if Rudy wins, the Republican Party will have sold its soul and will no longer be a pro-life party. Reagan's pro-life legacy will have been sacrificed on the altar of political expediency to elect the "easiest" candidate with an R after his name. There will be no major party left to stand in the gap and fight the abortionists and protect life. If Hillary wins, we'll have all the setbacks to the pro-life effort that we'd have under Rudy, but at least the Republican Party's integrity on the pro-life issue would still be intact. At least there'd be some hope for 2012 or later to take back the White House and the Congress and try to undo some of the damage. But if the Republican Party doesn't even survive, or it abandons its pro-life effort, then there will be little hope for the pro-life movement.

583 posted on 01/28/2007 10:32:35 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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