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This upcoming election is very crucial to keeping the democrats from having control of both the congress and the executive branch.

Which is why we need someone center-right. Not on the far left of the GOP. That position cannot hold the party together.

I ask again - do you find that calling people baby killers is helpful to your cause? Do you think it is a kind thing to do? You did admit to not doing very well.

How many babies do you think that Rudy has personally killed? You didn't answer?

So, do you need reminding then that Rudy is NOT a social conservative? :-)

From everything I have read, Rudy would make a good CIC, but like I have previously posted, I do NOT have a candidate at this point.

I do know from the threads I've seen, that no one backer of one candidate has clean hands when it comes to bashing other candidates.

Every poster seem to have one that they "just won't vote for" --- well, how great is that? Say hello to President Democrat with that thinking.

I will vote for and support the GOP nominee regardless.

The truth really bothers you, doesn't it? Anyone willing to pay for his own daughter's abortion is a scum. As are those who support partial-birth murder.

As these comments from a 1989 conversation with Phil Donahue show, Rudy Giuliani is staunchly in favor of abortion:

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal.

I do that in spite of my own personal reservations. I have a daughter now; if a close relative or a daughter were pregnant, I would give my personal advice, my religious and moral views ...

Donahue: Which would be to continue the pregnancy.

Giuliani: Which would be that I would help her with taking care of the baby. But if the ultimate choice of the woman - my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

Worse yet, Giuliani even supports partial birth abortion:

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing," he responded." -- CNN.com, "Inside Politics" Dec 2, 1999

It's bad enough that Rudy is so adamantly pro-abortion, but consider what that could mean when it comes time to select Supreme Court Justices. Does the description of Giuliani that you've just read make you think he's going to select an originalist like Clarence Thomas, who would vote to overturn Roe v. Wade -- or does it make you think he would prefer justices like Sandra Day O'Connor and Anthony Kennedy who'd leave Roe v. Wade in place?

Rudy's abortion stance is bad news for conservatives who are pro-life or who are concerned about getting originalist judges on the Supreme Court.

You are just another hater in this world.

{{{HUGS}}} Pro-Illegal Immigration

As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:

"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."

That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:

"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."

If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.

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From everything I have read, Rudy would make a good CIC

Only if he wins the White House.

Can you honestly believe that someone who is pro-choice, pro-gun-control, pro-amnesty and pro-gay-marriage can possibly hold the party together in this day and age?

Can you honestly believe that Rudy, with his personal baggage and problems with associations with people like Bernie Kerik, can possibly withstand the Clinton slime machine?

Can you honestly believe that the way to convince social conservatives to vote for Rudy is to tell them that their beliefs are wrongheaded? And that the way to appeal to Reagan Democrats to come back to the party is to trash Reagan?

You're a lot smarter than that, onyx. I know you are being diplomatic. And I know this is a time for confusion for the GOP.

But Reagan won in 1980 by being center-right. Not on the far left of the GOP.

Santorum got creamed in Pennsylvania because the Dems finally got smart enough to run a pro-lifer against him. If that doesn't tell you that the next nominee has to be pro-life, I don't know what does.

Romney is not my choice. But at least he and his people understand that bridges have to be built to the right. I have not seen that from the Rudy boosters at all. And that will be fatal if Rudy wins the nomination.

THAT is where this debate needs to head. NOT into the bizzare duality of both building Reagan up and tearing Reagan down.

Rudy has a lot of GOP support. Does that just drive you crazy :-)

His support maybe a mile wide and one inch deep at this point. We don't know that yet but the fact that he generates so much animosity among certain alledged elements of the GOP means that they must think he's going to win the nomination.... At this stage it's mostly name recognition that is driving the apparent placement of the potential candidates on the leaderboard. The ability to raise funds will begin to separate the contenders very quickly as this is going to be an absolute fiasco as to the amount of money needed to run a strong primary and general campaign. The days of slipping in with a few bucks are gone.

Here are the latest polls showing placement of contenders. I doubt if a lot of them can hang around after things really get to rolling with very limited funds. However Dick Morris speculated that one of the single digits could be the nominee as he thought that the top three, Giuliani, McCain, Gingrich would all falter because of personal/political problems. So who knows at this stage but some are really scared it seems.

Polling Report.com

Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. Jan. 24-25, 2007. N=332 registered Republicans and Republican leaners nationwide. MoE ± 6.

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"Suppose the race for the Republican Party's presidential nomination in 2008 comes down to a choice between [see below]. Who would you MOST like to see nominated?" If other/unsure: "As of TODAY, do you LEAN more toward [see below]?"
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		Rudy Giuliani	John McCain	Unsure
		%	%	%
	1/24-25/07	48	44	8
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		Rudy Giuliani	Mitt Romney	Unsure
		%	%	%
	1/24-25/07	72	17	11
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		John McCain	Mitt Romney	Unsure
		%	%	%
	1/24-25/07	69	19	12

Time Poll conducted by Schulman, Ronca & Bucuvalas (SRBI) Public Affairs. Jan. 22-23, 2007. N=441 registered voters nationwide who are Republicans or lean Republican.
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"Now I'm going to read a list of candidates who might be running for the Republican Party presidential nomination in 2008. If the Republican presidential primary or caucus in your state were being held today, listen carefully to the names and then tell me which candidate you would be most likely to vote for. . . ." Names rotated
			.
		%
	John McCain	30
	Rudy Giuliani	26
	Newt Gingrich	14
	Mitt Romney	5
	Sam Brownback	3
	George Pataki	2
	Tom Tancredo	1
	Chuck Hagel	1
	Mike Huckabee	1
	Jim Gilmore	1
	Other (vol.)	1
	Unsure	14
	Won't vote (vol.)	1
			.
"What if your choices for the Republican nomination were just John McCain, Mitt Romney, and Rudy Giuliani -- which one would you vote for?" Names rotated
			.
		%
	John McCain	43
	Rudy Giuliani	40
	Mitt Romney	8
	None of these (vol.)	1
	Unsure	8

CNN Poll conducted by Opinion Research Corporation. Jan. 19-21, 2007. N=365 registered voters nationwide who are Republicans or lean Republican. MoE ± 5.
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"Please tell me which of the following people you would be most likely to support for the Republican nomination for president in the year 2008. . . ." Names rotated
					.
		1/19-21/07	12/5-7/06	11/17-19/06	10/27-29/06	8/30 - 9/2/06
		%	%	%	%	%
	Rudy Giuliani	32	29	33	29	32
	John McCain	26	24	30	27	21
	Newt Gingrich	9	13	9	12	12
	Mitt Romney	7	6	9	7	6
	Jim Gilmore	3	n/a	n/a	n/a	n/a
	George Pataki	3	2	1	5	3
	Sam Brownback	2	2	2	1	1
	Chuck Hagel	1	n/a	n/a	n/a	n/a
	Mike Huckabee	1	n/a	n/a	n/a	n/a
	Duncan Hunter	1	1	2	n/a	n/a
	Ron Paul	1	n/a	n/a	n/a	n/a
	Tom Tancredo	1	n/a	n/a	n/a	n/a
	Tommy Thompson	1	2	3	n/a	n/a
	Unsure	12	23	8	11	14
	Bill Frist	n/a	n/a	3	6	4
	George Allen	n/a	n/a	n/a	2	7

*ABC News/Washington Post* Poll. Jan. 16-19, 2007. N=344 leaned Republicans nationwide. MoE ± 5. Fieldwork by TNS.
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"If the 2008 Republican presidential primary or caucus in your state were being held today, and the candidates were [see below], for whom would you vote?" Names rotated
				.
		1/16-19/07	12/7-11/06
		%	%
	Rudy Giuliani	34	34
	John McCain	27	26
	Newt Gingrich	9	12
	Mitt Romney	9	5
	George Pataki	2	3
	Sam Brownback	1	1
	Jim Gilmore	1	n/a
	Mike Huckabee	1	-
	Ron Paul	1	n/a
	Tom Tancredo	1	-
	Tommy Thompson	1	2
	Chuck Hagel	-	-
	Duncan Hunter	-	1
	None of these (vol.)	2	6
	Unsure	9	9
	Wouldn't vote (vol.)	1	-

Gallup Poll. Jan. 12-14, 2007. N=412 Republicans and Republican leaners nationwide. MoE ± 5.
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"Next, I'm going to read a list of people who may be running in the Republican primary for president in the next election. After I read all the names, please tell me which of those candidates you would be most likely to support for the Republican nomination for president in the year 2008, or if you would support someone else. . . ." Names rotated. Rice was included in the list of candidates in 2006.
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		1/12-14/07	12/11-14/06	11/9-12/06
		%	%	%
	Rudy Giuliani	31	28	28
	John McCain	27	28	26
	Newt Gingrich	10	8	7
	Mitt Romney	7	4	5
	George Pataki	3	1	1
	Tommy Thompson	2	2	n/a
	Jim Gilmore	2	n/a	n/a
	Sam Brownback	1	2	1
	Mike Huckabee	1	2	1
	Chuck Hagel	1	1	1
	Condoleezza Rice (vol.)	1	12	13
	Duncan Hunter	-	1	-
	Someone else	2	1	2
	None (vol.)	3	3	3
	Unsure	10	7	7
	George Allen	n/a	2	2
	Bill Frist	n/a	n/a	4

looks like you angered the cult of rudy.

His support maybe a mile wide and one inch deep at this point

Funny, I was thinking Platt River to describe Rudy's position as well.

Winky Dinky Hunter can't win the primaries with or without money and apparently he not only doesn't believe that he needs much of the stuff. But then, he isn't going to get much either!

Which is why we need someone center-right. Not on the far left of the GOP. That position cannot hold the party together.

That may well be and I would support that nominee whomever it is. But the nominee will be selected via the nomination process across the 50 states, etc. and not here on the limited exposure of FR. These rants need to be taken to the state level where the electoral nomination votes will be made. I would think it better to give respect to all candidates and let the voters make the choice. Then we need to support the nominee fully if we are to keep the democrat out of the WH.

Winky Dinky Hunter can't win the primaries with or without money and apparently he not only doesn't believe that he needs much of the stuff. But then, he isn't going to get much either!

Is there a string with a ring in the small of your back that someone pulls so you can utter one of thirty canned pro-Rudy phrases?

Not really, though the PTB appear to be fine with you spammers and breakers of just about every other posting rule in existence here, Doesn't that make you feel all warm and cuddly?

And Capote was the only one.

I don't know whom I support yet. I certainly haven't written anyone a check.

I think I may be like most Republicans in that regard. A few have already jumped on the bandwagon of the unknowns with a passion. That reminds me of Don Quixote, and I'll be very surprised if any of them make a respectable showing in any primary before dropping out. Some could stay in after being eliminated like Alan Keyes did in 2000 just to be a pain in the butt, but I'd be surprised if most did.

My dream ticket isn't running, so I'll have to vote for someone who I think is less than ideal. I've gotten pretty used to that, so I'm not having a fit. There are only two candidates from the GOP who really scare me, Ron Paul and John McCain, and yet I'd vote for either of them over what the Democrats are likely to offer. But if Ron Paul won, I think I might have to leave the country. His idea of national defense is to hire pirates.

Presidents have less power to change the laws and affect public policy than we typically ascribe to them. But there's no doubt the President is the Commander-in-Chief.

Maybe they care more about security and a safe America for the future rather than social conservatism. Without security, the other stuff doesn't mean much.

The web site you provided a link for did not address Mr. Guiliani's current stand on the issues. Please provide his current stance on the following: War in Iraq, National Security, Trade, 2nd Amendment, Immigration Reform, Abortion and Examples of his conservatism. Thank you in advance.

Pro-Illegal Immigration

As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed:

"While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."

That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:

"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."

If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.

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