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Hotels Across the U.S. Going Smoke-Free
earthlink news ^ | 9-18-03

Posted on 09/18/2003 12:45:25 PM PDT by hoosierskypilot

BASKING RIDGE, N.J. - From New York to California, small and mid-size hotels have gone smoke-free, cleaning, deodorizing and redecorating rooms once reserved for smokers and designating them nonsmoking.

One major reason is that fewer guests are requesting smoking rooms. But hotel managers point to other benefits: lower room maintenance costs and a marketing tool at a time when the business has been hurt by a sluggish economy.

"In all of our publications, we promote a smoke-free environment, and we've gotten calls because of it. Families with kids, it's attractive to them. It reinforces cleanliness and safety," said Chris Canavos, manager of the 98-room Howard Johnson's in Williamsburg, Va., which went smoke-free during a renovation three years ago.

In New York City, which banned smoking in restaurants and bars over the summer, the 79-room Comfort Inn Midtown in the theater district just marked its second smoke-free year. For the first seven months of this year, the Comfort Inn's occupancy rate has been a strong 96 percent.

Nonsmoker Leon Der Bogosian, a jewelry wholesaler from Los Angeles who frequently travels on business, stays at the Comfort Inn Midtown an average of eight times a year. Of the smoke-free policy, he said: "I'm bound to them because of that."

"Clean air, that's the main thing for me," he said. When he recently stayed in Detroit, his nonsmoking room was on a floor with smoking rooms, and "from the elevator to the room, you could smell cigarettes."

Vijay Dandapani, chief operating officer of Apple Core Hotels, which runs the Comfort Inn Midtown, said that on average, maids have to spend an extra five minutes cleaning a smoking room, including emptying the ashtrays and scrubbing the smoke residue that settles on everything.

Moreover, hotel managers point out, the drapes, the carpets, the bedding and other furnishings need to be replaced more frequently in smoking rooms, because smokers burn holes in the furniture and cause other damage.

The switchover to no smoking also gives hotels more flexibility: Normally, when hotels are close to full, nonsmoking guests are offered smoking rooms. To many nonsmokers, that stinks. They are repelled by the hard-to-remove cigarette smell.

Many bars, restaurants and workplaces across the country have gone smoke-free over the past several years. John Banzhaf, an anti-smoking activist and professor of public interest law at George Washington University, calls hotels one of the last holdouts.

"I definitely think it will be a continuing and accelerating trend," he said. "I think hotels will try to distinguish themselves and try to provide some added value for their guests, and they'll be successful at it."

According to a PricewaterhouseCoopers study of major U.S. urban markets, rooms for smokers account for 16 percent of all hotel rooms, a drop of 4 percentage points over the past five years.

In addition to New Jersey, New York and Virginia, smoke-free hotels can also be found in Delaware, California and Oklahoma, said Jeff Higley, editor in chief of the industry journal Hotel & Motel Management. There are an estimated 4.4 million hotel rooms in the United States.

Just over a month ago in Basking Ridge, about a half-hour drive west of New York City, the 171-room North Maple Inn dropped the last of its rooms for smokers. The North Maple, which caters to Fortune 500 travelers and wedding parties, now charges a $250 cleaning fee to guests who light up in their rooms - the amount the hotel says it costs to get rid of the smell.

Smokers at the North Maple are free to use five outdoor areas, including a courtyard where they can order drinks.

Some North Maple guests attending a recent corporate conference huddled outside a side entrance, chatting over a morning cigarette.

New Yorker Jonathan Smith said the policy was most bothersome just before bedtime and first thing in the morning. After putting up with the policy for three days, the 27-year smoker said: "I feel like I've been here my whole life."

Audrey Silk of the New York group Citizens Lobbying Against Smoker Harassment does not welcome the trend either: "A hotel is where you go to relax. If they're telling me I can't smoke in my room, that's not a vacation."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: pufflist; smokefree; smokingban
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To: eXe
your "plan" is a bit over the edge

Shirley you recognize hyperbole, don't you?

41 posted on 09/18/2003 7:54:47 PM PDT by hoosierskypilot
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To: Protagoras
BTW, did you actually read the article? Nobody required these hotels to go non smoking. It was the marketplace. Therefore your allusions to dictatorial interference don't apply.

(But man, if only I could be dictator, huh?)

42 posted on 09/18/2003 7:57:24 PM PDT by hoosierskypilot
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To: hoosierskypilot
You really didnt read my posts,,I have pointed that out. It was you who was so happy about the loss of property rights to the smoking thugs. You want to dictate how a man can run his business on his own property. At gun point if necessary. The hotels are doing it the right way. Cowards and fascists do it your way.
43 posted on 09/18/2003 8:10:47 PM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Protagoras
You're rambling. You need to take a break, take a valium, or whatever you do.

Keep telling yourself, "Those voices I hear are the kid's radio. No one is out to get me."

44 posted on 09/18/2003 8:17:09 PM PDT by hoosierskypilot
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To: hoosierskypilot
BTW, I think you meant anti-smoking thugs.
45 posted on 09/18/2003 8:18:24 PM PDT by hoosierskypilot
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To: Publius6961
"However, second hand smoke as a health issue,....., has also been thoroughly debunked as fraud.
Oh, really.... It is the amount of exposure that is the issue in dispute. And the studies are still on-going. The studies you obviously are refering to are on subjects who have "periodic exposure" to second hand smoke, which is not as harmfull as some have previously claimed, if at all. But second hand smoke has been documented to be harmfull to many, like those stuck in homes with cronic smokers, employees stuck in constant contact with smokers (hmm.. that is less of an issue nowadays), people with respiratory problems being exposed , etc.... It is the levels of exposure that can be harmfull that are in dispute. As for the other comments..... well, I will hold my breath.
46 posted on 09/18/2003 11:14:51 PM PDT by Peace will be here soon
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To: hoosierskypilot
You can call names and change the subject all you want but it isn't fooling anyone.

If you want to start to talk that trash in earnest let me know, I can fling mud with the best of them.

The truth is, you are a fascist because you advocate fascism. You are a cowardly slimeball hiding behind government force. If you had the balls you would walk into the resturant and tell the owner that you were there to force him to stop allowing smoking on his property. But that of course would get a laugh first, and then result in a trip to the hospital if you persisted.

So instead, like the coward you truly are, you call on the likes of Richie Daley and Bloomberg to send in the armed thugs for you. Hard to imagine anyone so cowardly that they will hide behind Bloomberg's skirts.

47 posted on 09/19/2003 6:54:58 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: hoosierskypilot
Then you would agree that there should be health care policies that exclude childbirth care. It's really expensive, and why should you have to pay for it? :)
48 posted on 09/19/2003 7:28:10 AM PDT by Dec31,1999 (Waiting and watching.)
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To: Protagoras
Here comes the call for government guns to force people to run their business as YOU see fit.

Hey, it's the American Way.

49 posted on 09/19/2003 7:30:41 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie
Read on, the same genius, after running out of things to say (didn't take long) started to say I was paranoid. Hard to say about what.
50 posted on 09/19/2003 7:36:09 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Protagoras
My point is that we long ago ceded these kinds of decisions to the government, what with things like the Drug War and all. The ball's in play, no sense whining when someone else decides to take a swing at it.
51 posted on 09/19/2003 7:40:20 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: hoosierskypilot
Late one night in Michigan, I stood at the end of a line of 5 people waiting to check out the last room at the hotel. It was a smoking room. The other 4 people declined the room & it was my turn to check it out. I hate smokey smelling rooms but it was so late & cold & I was so tired, that I figured I would take it. Stepping into the room was all it took to gag me. There was no way ANYONE, even a smoker would take it. We finally found a room, at a mom & pop motel but it didn't stink. I can understand this decision by the hotel industry. That stinky room needed new everything, carpet, drapes, bedspreads, paint etc. to make it useable again.
52 posted on 09/19/2003 8:01:40 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Wolfie
The ball's in play, no sense whining when someone else decides to take a swing at it.

I'm not whining. I'm fighting back. And I never ceded anything. You can surrender if you please.

Please remember the whining comment next time you post to WOD thread. You may want to reconcider.

53 posted on 09/19/2003 8:03:30 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Ditter
I think they made the right decision. On their own. Without government guns pointed at them.
54 posted on 09/19/2003 8:05:44 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: hoosierskypilot
Those same gases, with the notable exception of nicotine, are in the kitchen smoke in every restaurant where meat is broiled; stinking shame.
55 posted on 09/19/2003 8:09:22 AM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Oh please, these are commercial entities making decisions of their own accord, not being forced to do so by government mandate.... they get more business and make more money by being smoke free... you don't like it, don't rent a room there.

Fact is, I don't rent to smokers either, Government limits how much of a security deposit I can take, and smokers always cost me more when they move out to get their unit ready for next tenant.

Smoke all you want, but doesn't mean everyone in the world, has to say sure, you can do it in/on my property.
56 posted on 09/19/2003 8:10:27 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: ChinaThreat
You must be quite a high-roller to spend $120.00 a day on hotels every day of the year.

Hell, man, check your rear - it's probably smoking.

57 posted on 09/19/2003 8:11:45 AM PDT by Old Professer
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To: hoosierskypilot
Those of you who become apoplectic at the sight of a cigarette never cease to amaze me in your zealous championing of the creation of smoke-free areas where likely you would have never set foot when smoking was practiced.

Do these places hold a special charm for you or are you just determined to order the world to your liking?

58 posted on 09/19/2003 8:16:23 AM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Protagoras
Oops...didn't mean that as a personal attack, just a comment on the general sense that Americans seem to have a blind spot regarding slippery slopes. My apologies.
59 posted on 09/19/2003 8:18:33 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: hoosierskypilot
Your statistics are terribly flawed; most of the maintenance costs are expended on the elderly, cancer patients of all types and the worried-well.

Even the CDC allows that fewer than 500,000 so-called premature deaths are attributable in some way to smoking and not to nicotine itself.

Smoking in public is a very rude thing to do; being snotty in public can get you an amateur rhinoplasty.

60 posted on 09/19/2003 8:21:29 AM PDT by Old Professer
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