Hotels Across the U.S. Going Smoke-Free

earthlink news ^ | 9-18-03

[metesky]

The fact is that 500,000 people die in the U.S. every year from cigarettes.

With 300 million people that's 1/6 of 1%, a miniscule number by any way of figuring. Plus not even the gub'mint can back up that figure with facts.

If they simply died, that might be one thing. But they linger.

No, they don't. When they go, they usually go quickly, saving the health system hundreds of thousands of dollars.

And we pay for it in the form of lost productivity and higher taxes (to pay for their health-care).

You are either seriously misinformed or you have swallowed the Kool-Aid. The lost productivity argument is the argument of a statist who believes a person's time belongs to the company or the state. No productivity, no pay. Where's the loss? And smokers not only pay their own way with the excess taxes they pay, their taxes would pay for your health care too, if the gub'mint didn't allocate it elsewhere.

Anything to discourage people from nicotene nicotine is good.

Constantly misspelling the same word annoys me.

[qam1]

The WW2 generation paid heavily for their addiction.

What in sam hell are you talking about?

The WWII generation is living and has lived longer than any generation in the history of mankind, And yet they smoked and were exposed to SHS more than any other generation.

So how exactly have they paid dearly?

[Republicus2001]

I'm waiting for the first ADA lawsuit discriminating against those who must smoke pot for medical reasons...

[Republicus2001]

So, that being the case, I'm all in favor of govt doing whatever it needs to wean addicts from nicotene.

maybe pull people out of cars as well?

[Madame Dufarge]

That's odd. I always thought of you as having a modicum of fact-based intellectual horsepower.

Funny, I made the same mistake, too.

I stand corrected.

[qam1]

Those same gases, with the notable exception of nicotine, are in the kitchen smoke in every restaurant where meat is broiled; stinking shame.

Nope you can't escape the nicotine! It will still be there in the smoke and food if they cook or eat anything that contains potatoes, tomatoes or eggplant but then again as we all know after the antismoking/health/safety Gnatzies aren't going to stop at smoking they will never quit until we are all eating just soy and tofu.

But you are right there is nothing in 2nd hand smoke that these whiny hypochondric people aren't consistently exposed to in greater quantities in their day to day existence be it from cooking, campfires or auto exhaust yet miraculously those things don't bother them.   

But check out this from the BBC

Barbecues poison the air with toxins and could cause cancer, research suggests.

A study by the French environmental campaigning group Robin des Bois found that a typical two-hour barbecue can release the same level of dioxins as up to 220,000 cigarettes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3106039.stm

SO, If these people who claim that smokers are polluting the air ever cooked just one barbeque then they are hypocrites because with that one Barbeque they created/released more pollution than a pack a day smoker does in 30 years!!!!!

[qam1]

A late Ping

[Not_Who_U_Think]

I appreciate your experiences, and since you were having problems you did the right thing for yourself by quitting. I just wanted to mention that these figures thrown around by the smoking nazis - "370,000, 500,000, etc" are bogus. Do you realize, that if you dropped dead today YOU would be counted among the "smoking deaths"? Outside of being hit by a bus, the propagandists count ANYONE who has EVER smoked. Just another way to pump up the numbers. Disingenuous? Of course. But if it saves just one life...

[qam1]

Face it. Your days are numbered.

We're going to hound you smokers who use/take part in out of existence. We'll make it illegal for you to use/take part in smoke , even in your home, if children are present. We're going to make it so expensive (through sin taxes) that you're going to have to pool your resources with your smoking Freedom loving buddies just to buy one cigarette use/take part in (then you'll have to take turns smoking using/doing it). And, anytime you use/take part in smoke , it'll have to be in secret. Just like when you were in high school people were living in Germany in the 1930's.

Face it, your days are numbered.

[Ditter]

In my family "they are dead Jim". ;9)

[qam1]

In everybody's family they are or will someday be all dead whether they smoked or not.

[Ditter]

No! Tell me its not true! So we are all going to die of something? Is that your final word on the subject? LOL!

[Great Dane]

"Clean air, that's the main thing for me," he said. When he recently stayed in Detroit, his nonsmoking room was on a floor with smoking rooms, and "from the elevator to the room, you could smell cigarettes."

Here we go again, is it halloween come early, all the nuts are out.

[qam1]

No! Tell me its not true!

OK, It's not true, We have a way for people to live forever, we are just waiting for the last of the baby boomers to die off before we distribute it. Shhhhhh, Don't tell anyone.

So we are all going to die of something? Is that your final word on the subject? LOL!

Yes, We are all going to die of something, someday and in most cases a lot sooner than we would like. So WTF are we wasting our short little time here on Earth worrying about whether somebody, somewhere is smoking a cigarette on somebody's private property or not.

[Great Dane]

while inhaling 32 toxic gasses, included cyanide and carbon monoxide.

Name them, I have asked the Cancer society, the Lung Association, the Heart Foundation and the government healt department, none of them could come up with even 20...... and they admitted that.

[Great Dane]

As someone said, having smoking and non-smoking areas in a restaurant is like having peeing and non-peeing areas in a swimming pool.

And aalll of you use it all the time, can't come up with something better. ??

[Great Dane]

But if this decision was made by the businesses of their own accord then I have no problem with that.

And we whole heartedly agree with you.

[Great Dane]

And I will bet, Omega actually believes that no one ever pee's in the pool.

[Great Dane]

This windy weather is so overblown in the media.

Well now, lets see, DC = politicians, a lot of gas passing there.

[Great Dane]

The fact is that 500,000 people die in the U.S. every year from cigarettes. If they simply died, that might be one thing. But they linger. And we pay for it in the form of lost productivity and higher taxes (to pay for their health-care).

And thats the biggest myth of all.