Posted on 09/15/2003 1:04:29 PM PDT by JesusSaves
Edited on 04/29/2004 2:03:07 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
LONDON, England (Reuters) -- Smoking killed nearly five million people in 2000, accounting for almost equal numbers in the developed and developing nations and painting a bleak picture for the future, scientists have said.
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I'm standing on the top of a tall building. I want to get to the top of another building. I choose to fly across. There is much of God that is not addressed by scripture.
Let's look at Mark 10:17-22
17 Now as He was going out on the road, one came running, knelt before Him, and asked Him, "Good Teacher, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?"
18So Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.
19You know the commandments: "Do not commit adultery,' "Do not murder,' "Do not steal,' "Do not bear false witness,' "Do not defraud,' "Honor your father and your mother."'[3]
20And he answered and said to Him, "Teacher, all these things I have kept from my youth."
21Then Jesus, looking at him, loved him, and said to him, "One thing you lack: Go your way, sell whatever you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, take up the cross, and follow Me."
22But he was sad at this word, and went away sorrowful, for he had great possessions.
Why would Jesus tell him what to do if there was no choice involved? If everything was pre-ordained in that exchange and there is no true free will then it was all just a cruel game. And yet it says that Jesus loved him.
Do you do things like that to people you love?
It would completely contradict the way God is described in Matthew 10:7-10
7 "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
8For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.
9Or what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone?
10Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him!
Actually it isn't that at all.
It is more accurately small people, in every sense of the word, hijacking the power of government to control the lives of others, based on clearly fraudulent "statistics", to wit:
The other day a truck driver strung out on speed crossed the median and hit a 95 year old man going the opposite direction in a Yugo head on. The Yugo burst into flames and the driver had to be identified by dental records. The foil from a pack of Marlboros was found inside the burned out car. Cause of death: smoking.
Clearly, dishonesty and neuroses masquerading as compassion.
Cigarette smoke contains enough CO to set off a CO monitor. The smoker lives because he takes in fresh breaths between puffs.
Cigarette smoke contains an amazing array of gaseous and particulate compounds. This includes (in approximate order by mass): carbon dioxide, water, carbon monoxide, particulate matter (mostly tar), nicotine, nitrogen oxides, hydrogen cyanide, ammonia, formaldehyde, phenol and dozens of other well known toxic compounds. Some of these components are present in extremely high concentrations.
For example cigarette smoke contains much higher concentrations of carbon monoxide (0.5-5% v/v) than the auto exhaust from a well maintained vehicle. This concentration of CO would be lethal if inhaled continuously for ~30 minutes.
To continue to use my anology, if I could take fresh breaths while in a smoky house fire I wouldn't be asphyxiated either.
And?????
Acetone, Isoprene, Acetonitrile, pTolualdehyde, Toluene, P,SDimethylhexane, Ethyl Alcohol, Acetaldehyde, Dichloronitromethane, 2,2,4-Trimethyl-l-pentanol, n-Propyl acetate, 2,2-Dimethyl-l-pentanol, Cyclohexane, Hexane, Thiolacetic acid, I-Heptanol, Cyclohexyl alcohol, Benzene, 2-Ethyl-l-hexanone, 2,3,5 Trimethylhexane, Ethyl Imercaptopropionate, Cycloheptatriene, p-Xylene, n-Butyl alcohol, 3,4 Dimethylhexane, Limonene, Isooctyl alcohol, Methyl-n-propyl sulfide, Ethyl-4-methyl-1-pentanol, Neopentyl acetate, Trans4nonenal, n-Heptane, Ethylbenzene, 5-Methyl4heptanone, Dimethylsulfide, P-Methyl-l-pentanol, pl)ichlorobenzene, Trans-3-hexen-l-ol, Capryl alcohol, Mesitylene, n-Hexylmercaptan, 3,4-Dimethylheptane, 2,3,3,4-Tetramethylpentane, 1Chlorohexane, Dichloroacetylene, 2,P-Dimethyl-l-octanol, 2,2,3,3 - Tetramethylhexane, o-Xylene, 2,3,3 - Trimethylhexane, Isopropylalcohol, 2,2-Dimethyl-l-hexanol, 5-Ethyl-l-butanol, Z,P-Dimethylheptane, Furan, Naphthalene, Thiocyclopentane, Cyclopentylalcohol, n-l\lonane, Ethyl phenyl acetate, n-Amyl alcohol, Z,CDimethylheptane, 5-Nitropropane, 2,6 - Di-tert-butyl-4-methyl-phenol, Methyl-tert-butyl-ketone, Di-Tert-butyldisulfide, 2,2-Dimethyl-Shexanone, 1,2-Diethylbenzene, 2,5-Dimethylheptane, 2-Methyl-3-heptanone, Isobutyl alcohol, m-Xylene, 2,2,5,5Tetramethylhexane, n-Decanal, SMethyl-2-butanol, Propiophenone, Ethylacetate, n-Decane, Isopropylbenzene, IEthylpentane, Di-n-Butylamine, N-Dodecane, o-Dichlorobenzene, Allylacetate, S,SDiethylpentane, n-Butyl acetoacetate, Benzylamine, Indene, Methylnaphthalene, 'L-Methyl-Spentanone, Coumarin, Phenylacetic acid, Ethyl valerate, 5-Methyl-3-heptanone, n-Octane, Cumic alcohol, Methanol, 2,4-Dimethyl-Shexanone, Octylacetate, Cycloheptadiene, 2-Methyl-1-octene, Ethyl Lmethylvalerate, o-Nitrotoluene
Too bad they are all part of the normal human exhalation.
And now you know that smoking cigarettes elevates you CO level. That means a smoker has a head start toward death if his furnace or hot water heater leaks CO.
Actually, the body continuously tries to eliminate toxic chemicals. What I don't understand is why one would continuously force the body to inhale toxic chemicals?
I would rather go later than sooner.
Sorry! That is not under your control. When your time is up, it's up. It doesn't matter what your health is, your age is, or how you lived your life.
A lot of it is under my control. If I were to take a loaded gun to my head and pull the trigger, I would not expect to live very much longer. If I were a heavy smoker, I would not expect to live as long as if I were not a heavy smoker.
Smoking, or not, will have little to do with it, if you believe in numbers.
Result: Positive Risk, Negative Risk or Insignificant Statistically.
Relative Risk and Confidence Interval.*
YR | Name | Result | Rel.Risk | Conf.Int | Locale | Type | Sex | Link | Comments |
99 | Mitchell / Milerad | I | Eur | SIDS | M&F | Link at WHO | |||
98 | Enstrom / Kabat | I | USA/ CA | SHS | M&F Spouses | Link at BMJ | SHS Harmless. BMJ letters. Editor Comment. Fumento. SHS Frauds. |
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98 | Boffetta (WHO) | I | 1.16 | 0.93-1.44 | Eur | Spouse | M&F | ||
98 | Boffetta (WHO) | I | 1.17 | 0.94-1.45 | Eur | Work | F&M | ||
98 | Boffetta (WHO) | N | 0.78 * | 0.64-0.96 | Eur | Childhd | F&M | Link at WHO | |
98 | Boffetta (WHO) | I | 1.03 | 0.82-1.29 | Eur | Social | M&F | Judge Osteen Ruling | |
97 | Cardenas ^ | I | 1.2 | 0.80-1.60 | US | Spouse | F | Link at NCBI | Chapman at BMJ |
97 | Cardenas ^ | I | 1.1 | 0.60-1.80 | US | Spouse | M | ||
97 | Jockel-BIPS | I | 1.58 | 0.74-3.38 | Ger | Spouse | F | ||
97 | Jockel-BIPS | I | 1.58 | 0.52-4.81 | Ger | Spouse | M | ||
97 | Jockel-GSF | N | 0.93 * | 0.66-1.31 | Ger | Spouse | F | ||
97 | Jockel-GSF | N | 0.93 * | 0.52-1.67 | Ger | Spouse | M | ||
97 | Ko ^ | I | 1.3 | 0.70-2.50 | Tai | Spouse | F | ||
97 | Nyberg | I | 1.2 | 0.74-1.94 | Swed | Spouse | F | ||
97 | Nyberg | I | 1.2 | 0.57-2.55 | Swed | Spouse | M | ||
97 | Jockel-BIPS | P | 2.37 | 1.02-5.48 | Ger | Work | F&M | ||
97 | Jockel-GSF | I | 1.51 | 0.95-2.40 | Ger | Work | F&M | ||
97 | Ko ^ | I | 1.1 | 0.40-3.00 | Tai | Work | F | ||
97 | Nyberg | I | 1.6 | 0.90-2.90 | Swed | Work | F&M | ||
97 | Jockel-BIPS | I | 1.05 | 0.50-2.22 | Ger | Childhd | F&M | ||
97 | Jockel-GSF | N | 0.95 * | 0.64-1.40 | Ger | Childhd | F&M | ||
97 | Ko ^ | N | 0.80 * | 0.40-1.60 | Tai | Childhd | F | ||
96 | Schwartz ^ | I | 1.1 | 0.72-1.68 | US | Spouse | F | ||
96 | Schwartz ^ | I | 1.1 | 0.60-2.03 | US | Spouse | M | ||
96 | Sun | I | 1.16 | 0.80-1.69 | Chin | Spouse | F | ||
96 | Want S-Y | P | 2.53 | 1.26-5.10 | Chin | Spouse | F | ||
96 | Wang T-J | I | 1.11 | 0.67-1.84 | Chin | Spouse | F | ||
96 | Schwartz ^ | I | 1.5 | 1.00-2.20 | US | Work | F&M | ||
96 | Sun | I | 1.38 | 0.94-2.04 | Chin | Work | F | ||
96 | Wang T-J | N | 0.89 * | 0.46-1.73 | Chin | Work | F | ||
96 | Sun | P | 2.29 | 1.56-3.37 | Chin | Childhd | F | ||
96 | Wang T-J | N | 0.91 * | 0.56-1.48 | Chin | Childhd | F | ||
95 | Kabat 2 ^ | I | 1.08 | 0.60-1.94 | US | Spouse | F | ||
95 | Kabat 2 ^ | I | 1.6 | 0.67-3.82 | US | Spouse | M | ||
95 | Kabat 2 ^ | I | 1.15 | 0.62-2.13 | US | Work | F | ||
95 | Kabat 2 ^ | I | 1.02 | 0.50-2.09 | US | Work | M | ||
95 | Kabat 2 ^ | N | 0.90 * | 0.43-1.89 | US | Childhd | M | ||
95 | Kabat 2 ^ | I | 1.55 | 0.95-2.79 | US | Childhd | F | ||
95 | Kabat 2 (^) | I | 1.22 | 0.69-2.15 | US | Social | F | ||
95 | Kabat 2 (^) | I | 1.39 | 0.67-2.86 | US | Social | M | ||
94 | Fontham ^ | I | 1.29 | 1.04-1.60 | US | Spouse | F | ||
94 | Layard | N | 0.58 * | 0.30-1.13 | US | Spouse | F | ||
94 | Layard | I | 1.47 | 0.55-3.94 | US | Spouse | M | ||
94 | Zaridze | I | 1.66 | 1.12-2.46 | Russia | Spouse | F | ||
94 | Fontham ^ | I | 1.39 | 1.11-1.74 | US | Work | F | ||
94 | Zaridze | I | 1.23 | 0.74-2.06 | Russia | Work | F | ||
94 | Fontham ^ | N | 0.89 * | 0.72-1.10 | US | Childhd | F | ||
94 | Zaridze | N | 0.98 * | 0.66-1.45 | Russia | Childhd | F | ||
94 | Fontham | I | 1.5 | 1.19-1.89 | US | Social | F | ||
93 | Liu Q ^ | I | 1.66 | 0.73-3.78 | Chin | Spouse | F | ||
93 | Wu | I | 1.09 | 0.64-1.85 | Chin | Spouse | F | ||
92 | EPA/600/6-90/006F | US | Link at EPA "An estimate of the unknown, but believed to be true." |
Frauds | |||||
92 | Brownson 2 ^ | I | NS * | 0.80-1.20 | US | Spouse | F | ||
92 | Stockwell ^ | I | 1.6 | 0.80-3.00 | US | Spouse | F | ||
92 | Brownson 2 | N | 0.79 * | 0.61-1.03 | US | Work | F | ||
92 | Stockwell ^ | I | NS * | NS | US | Work | F | ||
92 | Brownson 2 ^ | N | 0.80 * | 0.60-1.10 | US | Childhd | F | ||
92 | Stockwell ^ | I | 1.1 | 0.50-2.60 | US | Childhd | F | ||
92 | Stockwell | I | NS * | NS * | US | Social | F | ||
91 | Liu Z | N | 0.77 * | 0.30-1.96 | Chin | Spouse | F | ||
90 | Janerick | N | 0.93 * | 0.55-1.57 | US | Spouse | M&F | ||
90 | Kalandidi | P | 2.11 | 1.09-4.08 | Grk | Spouse | F | ||
90 | Sobue | I | 1.13 | 0.78-1.63 | Jap | Spouse | F | ||
90 | Wu-Williams | N | 0.70 * | 0.60-0.90 | Chin | Spouse | F | ||
90 | Janerich ^ | N | 0.91 * | 0.80-1.04 | US | Work | F&M | ||
90 | Kalandidi ^! | I | 1.39 | 0.80-2.50 | Grk | Work | F | ||
90 | Wu-Williams ^ | I | 1.2 | 0.90-1.60 | Chin | Work | F | ||
90 | Janerich ^ | I | 1.09 | 0.68-1.73 | US | Childhd | F&M | ||
90 | Sobue (^) | I | 1.28 | 0.71-2.31 | Jap | Childhd | F | ||
90 | Wu-Will(^)! | I | NS * | NS | Chin | Childhd | F | ||
90 | Janerich | N | 0.59 * | 0.43-0.81 | US | Social | F&M | ||
89 | Choi | I | 1.63 | 0.92-2.87 | Kor | Spouse | F | ||
89 | Choi | P | 2.73 | 0.49-15.21 | Kor | Spouse | M | ||
89 | Hole | I | 1.89 | 0.22-16.12 | Scot | Spouse | F | ||
89 | Hole | I | 3.52 | 0.32-38.65 | Scot | Spouse | M | ||
89 | Svensson | I | 1.26 | 0.57-2.81 | Swed | Spouse | F | ||
89 | Svensson ^ | P | 3.3 | 0.50-18.80 | Swed | Childhd | F | ||
88 | Butler | P | 2.2 | 0.48-8.56 | US | Spouse | F | ||
88 | Geng | P | 2.16 | 1.08-4.29 | Chin | Spouse | F | ||
88 | Inoue | P | 2.25 | 0.80-8.80 | Jap | Spouse | F | ||
88 | Shimizu | I | 1.08 | 0.64-1.82 | Jap | Spouse | F | ||
88 | Shimizu ^ | I | 1.18 | 0.70-2.01 | Jap | Work | F | ||
87 | Bownson 1 | I | 1.68 | 0.39-6.90 | US | Spouse | F | ||
87 | Gao | I | 1.19 | 0.82-1.73 | Chin | Spouse | F | ||
87 | Humble | P | 2.2 | 0.80-6.60 | US | Spouse | F | ||
87 | Humble | P | 4.82 | 0.63-36.56 | US | Spouse | M | ||
87 | Koo | I | 1.64 | 0.87-3.09 | HK | Spouse | F | ||
87 | Lam T | I | 1.65 | 1.16-2.35 | HK | Spouse | F | ||
87 | Pershagen(+) | I | 1.2 | 0.70-2.10 | Swed | Spouse | F | ||
87 | Koo ^ | N | 0.91 * | 0.15-5.37 | HK | Work | F | ||
87 | Gao ^ | I | 1.1 | 0.70-1.70 | Chin | Childhd | F | ||
87 | Koo ^! | I | 1.73 | 0.60-6.40 | HK | Childhd | F | ||
87 | Pershagen ^ | I | NS * | 0.40-2.30 | Swed | Childhd | F | ||
86 | Akiba(+) | I | 1.5 | 0.90-2.80 | Jap | Spouse | F | ||
86 | Akiba(+) | I | 1.8 | 0.40-7.00 | Jap | Spouse | M | ||
86 | Lee(+) | I | NS * | 0.37-2.71 | UK | Spouse | F | ||
86 | Lee(+) | I | 1.3 | 0.38-4.39 | UK | Spouse | M | ||
86 | Lee ^ | N | 0.63* | 0.17-2.33 | UK | Work | F | ||
86 | Lee ^ | I | 1.61 | 0.39-6.60 | UK | Work | M | ||
86 | Akiba + | I | NS * | NS | Jap | Childhd | F&M | ||
86 | Lee | N | 0.61 * | 0.29-1.28 | UK | Social | F | ||
86 | Lee | I | 1.55 | 0.40-6.02 | UK | Social | M | ||
85 | Garfinkel 2(+) | I | 1.23 | 0.81-1.87 | US | Spouse | F | ||
85 | Lam W | P | 2.01 | 1.09-3.72 | HK | Spouse | F | ||
85 | Wu(+!) | I | 1.4 | 0.40-4.20 | US | Spouse | F | ||
85 | Garfinkel 2 ^ | N | 0.93 * | 0.70-1.20 | US | Work | F | ||
85 | Wu ^ | I | 1.3 | 0.50-3.30 | US | Work | F | ||
85 | Garfinkel 2 + | N | 0.91 * | 0.74-1.12 | US | Childhd | F | ||
85 | Wu (+) | N | 0.60 * | 0.20-1.70 | US | Childhd | F | ||
85 | Garfinkel 2 | I | 1.42 | 0.75-2.70 | US | Social | F | ||
84 | Buffler | N | 0.80 * | .34-1.90 | US | Spouse | F | ||
84 | Buffler | N | 0.51 * | .14-1.79 | US | Spouse | M | ||
84 | Hirayama (+)! | I | 1.6 | 1.00-2.40 | Jap | Spouse | F | ||
84 | Hirayama + | P | 2.24 | 1.19-4.22 | Jap | Spouse | M | ||
84 | Kabat 1(+) | N | 0.79 * | .25-2.45 | US | Spouse | F | ||
84 | Kabat 1(+) | NS * | 0.20-5.07 | US | Spouse | M | |||
84 | Kabat 1 ^ | N | 0.70 * | 0.30-1.50 | US | Work | F | ||
84 | Kabat 1 ^ | P | 3.3 | 1.10-10.40 | US | Work | M | ||
84 | Kabat & Wyn ^ | N | 0.92 * | 0.40-2.08 | US | Childhd | F | ||
84 | Kabat & Wyn ^ | I | 1.26 | 0.33-4.83 | US | Childhd | M | ||
83 | Correa(+!) | P | 2.07 | .81-5.25 | US | Spouse | F | ||
83 | Correa(+!) | I | 1.97 | .38-10.32 | US | Spouse | M | ||
83 | Trichopouls(+!) | P | 2.08 | 1.20-3.59 | Grk | Spouse | F | ||
83 | Correa + | I | NS * | NS | US | Childhd | F | ||
82 | Chan + | N | 0.80 * | .43-1.30 | HK | Spouse | F | ||
81 | Garfinkel 1 (+) | I | 1.18 | .90-1.54 | US | Spouse | F | Link at UCSF |
*Epidemiology studies risk factors, and determines Relative Risk (RR). A Relative risk of 1.0 indicates no effect. A RR of 1.25 means the risk is increased by 25%; a RR of .75 means the risk is decreased by 25%, and indicates a protective effect.
Epidemology deals with probabilities, and is an imprecise science. The Confidence Interval (CI) can be thought of as the margin of error the real RR could be anywhere within the CI. For example, in the WHO Boffetta study (# 98 on this chart) spouses were assigned an RR of 1.16, with a CI of .93-1.44. That means the real RR could be anywhere between .93 (a 7% decrease in risk) or 1.44, (a 44% increase). It could even be 1.0 no effect at all. When the CI straddles 1.0, as it does in this case, the RR is not statistically significant. Note that in nearly all SHS studies the RR is not statistically significant.
Studies of behavior are difficult because people's habits and lifestyles vary so greatly. These variations are called confounders, and must be considered when analyzing the numbers. In studies of SHS, confounders include age, gender, allergies, nationality, race, medications, compliance with medications, education, gas heating and cooking, gender, socioeconomic status, exposure to other chemicals, occupation, use of alcohol, use of marijuana, consumption of saturated fat and other dietary considerations, family history of cancer and domestic radon exposure, to name a few.
Because it is easy to overlook an important confounder, the rule of thumb is that an RR of less than 2.0 is suspect, even if it is statistically significant, and an RR of 3.0 or more is preferred. Marcia Angell, the former editor of the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine says, As a general rule of thumb we are looking for a relative risk of 3 or more before accepting a paper for publication." Robert Temple of the Food and Drug Administration said, My basic rule is if the relative risk isnt at least 3 or 4, forget it. Even further, The National Cancer Institute explains, Relative risks of less than 2 are considered small and are usually difficult to interpret. Such increases may be due to chance, statistical bias, or the effect of confounding factors that are sometimes not evident.
For more information on how to interpret these numbers, visit Epidemology 101 and Epidemology 102 at The Facts.
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Smoking Studies list from Forces Nederland.
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Mad Max's Studies List
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Cato Institute: Tobacco Studies
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WHO
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Smokes and Mirrors
By Aaron North. Looking at an issue, particularly one as seemingly cut and dry as tobacco, from multiple angles is a must to ensure our outlooks on public policy and the popular voice are not forfeited to the smoke being blown around us.
Almost 255,000 of the 440,000 smoking-related deaths reported by the CDC nearly 60 percent of the total occurred at age 70 or above.
More than 192,000 deaths nearly 45 percent of the total occurred at age 75 or higher.
And roughly 72,000 deaths almost 17 percent of the total occurred at age 85 or above.
"Among male cigarette smokers, the risk of lung cancer is more than 2,000 percent higher than among male nonsmokers; for women, the risks were approximately 1,200 percent greater. Lung cancer is the single largest cause of cancer mortality among both men and women and accounts for more than one in every four cancer deaths nationally in the U.S."
http://rex.nci.nih.gov/NCI_Pub_Interface/raterisk/risks67.html
Isn't "Forces" that pro-smoking agenda organization?
How about the truck driver who loses control of his rig because he fell asleep at the wheel?
What about the guy who has a heart attack at the wheel?
It doesn't matter how you lived your life. If any of this stuff happens you will be just as dead.
Wow! A lot of studies supporting that SHS is dangerous. Statistically, VERY CONCLUSIVE!
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