Bans on Smoking in Prison Shrink a Coveted Market

THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ^ | Wednesday, August 27, 2003 | VANESSA O'CONNELL

[presidio9]

RIKERS ISLAND, N.Y. -- For years, inmates trekked to the commissary, off a dingy hallway here in this huge New York City jail complex, to buy cigarettes. Tobacco companies also furnished them with free T-shirts and socks emblazoned with the Kool and Newport logos. Cigarette makers gave the jail sports equipment, board games and, for a time, cash awards that funded antiviolence videos and inmate holiday parties.

[SouthParkRepublican]

”The people you're talking to are dedicated WoD freaks, and have already decided the Constitution isn't worth spit.”

Seems that way. Thanks for the insight.

[cinFLA]

What does the percentage matter? What percent of innocent citizens denied their Constitutional rights is acceptable to you?

You claim that innocent people are in prison. Your claim has no credibility without a basis.

[cinFLA]

What does the percentage matter?

Because you have been nailed for false information on this thread; your credibility is zilch.

[thoughtomator]

Really? What have I said that is false? And where does the most dishonest person on FR get off evaluating anyone else's credibility?

[thoughtomator]

Your figures for EDC are absolutely untrue. Again you insist I should believe you over my own personal experience. Again I decline, since you lie and deceive habitually.

[cinFLA]

Your figures for EDC are absolutely untrue. Again you insist I should believe you over my own personal experience. Again I decline, since you lie and deceive habitually.

Hmmm. Caught in a lie and can't back up your numbers.

[presidio9]

Caught in a lie and can't back up your numbers.

That's never stopped them before. Only decent people who understand reality are required to provide proof. You should know that.

[metesky]

Now ban drugs, weightlifting, MTV and rape of white inmates (other than paedophiles).

But continue the power-trip raping of black, brown and yellow inmates?

[thoughtomator]

You deny my numbers, but your assertion that the EDC charges whatever price is prima facie erroneous. EDC doesn't charge spit, because the phone services for inmates are supplied by private companies.

Which you would know if you had the slightest bit of actual experience in the matter. Clearly, you don't, and you're talking out of your ass.

[cinFLA]

Again I decline, since you lie and deceive habitually.

The one caught lying here is YOU!

[thoughtomator]

The one caught lying here is YOU!

The Internet equivalent of sticking one's fingers in one's ears and chanting, "Nyah nyah! Liar liar pants on fire!"... how compelling.

[cinFLA]

You deny my numbers, but your assertion that the EDC charges whatever price is prima facie erroneous. EDC doesn't charge spit, because the phone services for inmates are supplied by private companies.

At the rates I provided above.

[cinFLA]

Which you would know if you had the slightest bit of actual experience in the matter. Clearly, you don't, and you're talking out of your ass.

I've seen my share of lying defense lawyers.

[montag813]

But continue the power-trip raping of black, brown and yellow inmates?

Of course not, but white inmates are raped at a rate 30-50 times greater than "minority" inmates (according to the SCI)

[cinFLA]

EDC doesn't charge spit, because the phone services for inmates are supplied by private companies.

Really? You mean EDC has NO involvement in the phone service charges? I thought your original complaint was that these facilities were marking up the bills for profit! Seems you have defused your initial issue.

[thoughtomator]

No, my original complaint is that the phone charges are excessive to the point where they violate the Sixth Amendment.

Since your brain automatically deletes anything referring to the Constitution, I'm not surprised you have a twisted conception of the original proposition.

Of course, by even asking the question, you've just admitted that you are in fact the one who is lying here.

I'm sick of your dishonest anti-Constitutionalist rantings.

Required reading for you and your ilk:

http://www.constitution.org/cons/constitu.htm

That's the law of the land, your infantile prejudice is not. Get used to it.

[ZviTheWise]

Odd how people who usually respect free markets do such a fast U-turn when it comes to screwing over cons.

[thoughtomator]

In what way does a monopoly provider represent the free market? An actual free market would produce market-level prices, which is exactly what I am arguing is required.

[presidio9]

Not at all. Cons have forfeited their right to be regarded as mambers of society. That's why we can take their lives or deny them the right to vote.

[cinFLA]

In what way does a monopoly provider represent the free market? An actual free market would produce market-level prices, which is exactly what I am arguing is required.

Your $5+ per minute is about 5x the highest charge documented on the internet by the numerous 'prisoner rights' organizations. You better get the info to them!