Legal warning to church on gay stance

The Irish Times, Dublin ^ | August 2, 2003 | Liam Reid

[sinkspur]

Post the thread and I'll go on the attack against their political agenda too.

They just want to stay out of jail. Like the homosexuals.

Is that OK?

[Antoninus]

No jail for homosexuals. No jail for heterosexual sodomites either, for that matter. That's all I've ever advocated.

So you're ok with sodomy being illegal as long as no jail time is in order, right?

[Zack Nguyen]

Clergy and bishops who distribute the Vatican's latest publication describing homosexual activity as "evil" could face prosecution under incitement to hatred legislation.

The battle has been enjoined worldwide. The other side will give no quarter. Either the p.c.-leftist-homosexual axis will triumph in our culture, or the God-fearing will. Ultimately, I know who will win (I've read the back of the Book) but for this generation I am concerned.

[Antoninus]

I noticed that Roman history is also being rewritten. I enjoy ancient history and try to catch some of the programs about ancient Greece and Rome. Rome's reputation is being rehabilitated. It is no longer the decadent, brutal civilization of Seneca, Cassius Dio and Pliny. It has become a glorius civilization in which the people prospered in freedom. Even Nero has become a poor misunderstood genius.

Ha! In college, freeper Claud and myself had a running joke that someday academia would try to rehabilitate poor Caligula. Imagine, he could be looked at as disabled--mental illness is a disability, isn't it? And now that we are inching towards tolerance of all kinds of sexual perversion, including incest, who are we to judge that he married his sister? Finally, he was a champion of animal rights, having named Incitatus the horse to the Roman Senate. Hardly seems like the murderous, rapacious tyrannt that history has handed us, does he?

[Zack Nguyen]

I just cannot get rid of the feeling that this issue will divide religions and countries very shortly.

In my opinion it already is. In traditional Protestant denominations in the United States, the issue of homosexual behavior sharply divides between those that believe the Bible and those that don't. Many conservatives have gone to Southern Baptist Churches, Bible churches, or Assembly of God churches.

[sinkspur]

So you're ok with sodomy being illegal as long as no jail time is in order, right?

If the punishment is a slap on the wrist (which the boys would like), I'm cool.

Wanna try to get any sillier?

[sitetest]

Dear Antoninus,

The problem with satirizing the left is that they have no sense of humor. What's written that makes us laugh ironically, they see as a step-by-step plan for the next phase of their efforts.

The moral is, don't satirize the left. It only gives them ideas.


sitetest

[Antoninus]

The problem with satirizing the left is that they have no sense of humor. What's written that makes us laugh ironically, they see as a step-by-step plan for the next phase of their efforts.

Considering their plan is the complete and utter destruction of western civilization so they can rebuild it again in their own image (see Michel Foucault -- a stupid plan if ever there was one), you may be right. However, satire is a powerful weapon and if we can ridicule the left into utter irrelevance, I'm all for it. Heaven knows, they provide us with enough ammo.

[Antoninus]

If the punishment is a slap on the wrist (which the boys would like), I'm cool.

Wow, nice to see that your opinion has evolved in the last couple weeks. How about a hefty fine, mandatory community service, and having your name printed in the local police blotter? Cool with that?

Wanna try to get any sillier?

It's not silly. I posit that the more society accepts and celebrates sodomanaical behavior, the more young people will be recruited into the "gay" deathstyle, and hence, more will die of AIDS, drugs, suicide, and all the other pleasantries associated with it.

[sinkspur]

How about a hefty fine, mandatory community service, and having your name printed in the local police blotter? Cool with that?

If you'll police heterosexual bedrooms as vigilantly as homosexual bedrooms, I'm ice cold with it.

I'm not cool with the additional tax money the expanded police presence will require, however.

Put it to a vote, and, if I lose, I'll live with it.

[Kevin Curry]

They just want to stay out of jail. Like the homosexuals.

Gay activists want much, much more n behalf of homosexuals. Do you really dispute this?

[sinkspur]

Gay activists want much, much more n behalf of homosexuals. Do you really dispute this?

No. But I don't think abolishing imprisonment of gays is the first slide down the slippery slope to gay marriage.

[Antoninus]

If you'll police heterosexual bedrooms as vigilantly as homosexual bedrooms, I'm ice cold with it.

Wow, your opinion really has evolved, then. Glad to see you can admit mistakes and move toward more reasonable positions.

Of course, I'm ignoring the canard of "policing heterosexual bedrooms" that you always throw in there. No one has ever advocated "policing" anyone's bedrooms. Sodomy can return to being what it once was--a crime that was not sought out by law enforcement, but punished when it was stumbled over or as part of a larger crime (i.e., rape). It should still absolutely positively be illegal.

[Kevin Curry]

"Homosexual" bedrooms have always been policed as heavily as heterosexual unmarried cohabitors' bedrooms--which is to say, almost not at all. That doesn't mean we celebrate what happens there or forbid people to call it evil under pain of criminal prosecution.

As is now becoming apparent in Ireland, the Netherlands, and Canada, in time more Americans may be prosecuted, fined, and jailed for speaking out against what happens in "homosexual" bedrooms than homsexuals were prosecuted, fined, and jailed for engaing in such acts.

The world has been turned inside out. Evil is now procaimed good and people risk of being punished for protesting the inversion.

And you're "cool" with it?

[Kevin Curry]

No. But I don't think abolishing imprisonment of gays is the first slide down the slippery slope to gay marriage.

I think you're addled.

[sitetest]

Dear Antoninus,

Satire is a powerful tool, when the targeted audience understands that someone is being mocked.

However, if you were to write a short treatment with the satirical premise of how unjustly maligned were Nero and Caligula, and send it to Hollywood, it might become the basis for a rather serious dramatic made-for-TV movie, with the straightforward premise of how unjustly maligned were Nero and Caligula.

Satire IS powerful. And dangerous. Especially in the hands of imbeciles.


sitetest

[sinkspur]

Sodomy can return to being what it once was--a crime that was not sought out by law enforcement, but punished when it was stumbled over or as part of a larger crime (i.e., rape). It should still absolutely positively be illegal.

As long as you'll advocate it be made illegal in every state, OK.

[GregoryFul]

Perhaps the jailing of the priests would wake the laity up to the evil of the politicians!

[Palladin]

In my opinion it already is. In traditional Protestant denominations in the United States, the issue of homosexual behavior sharply divides between those that believe the Bible and those that don't. You sure are right on the money here. Today the Episcopalian Church ratified the appointment of that openly gay bishop in Vermont. Next week, they will discuss, and probably legiimize, gay marriage. My Episcopalian friends, the silent ones in the pews, are mortified!

[breakem]

I think you're responding to someone else's quote. I gave up this thread long ago, but you may want to address to whoever posted the quote.