NAZI MAINE: House gives final OK to smoking ban in bars PUKES ONE AND ALL!

boston.com ^ | 6/3/2003 | Glenn Adams

[VRWC_minion]

You haven't given me a link to the regulation.

Find your own link or call your local recruiter.

[kevao]

Whether its true or not really doesn't matter

Yes, you've made that quite clear.

[VRWC_minion]

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/weekly/aa060400a.htm

[VRWC_minion]

What issue are smokers giving the UN to act on?

Its the same one. Its the stench of the smoke and the insistance on smoking anywhere and everywhere wihout any thought of its effects on others. Its the attitude.

[honeygrl]

"Banning smoking in bot camp is obviously the first step toward a full ban"

It's not obvious to me. To me it's obvious that Boot Camp is a time for the guys to learn discipline and IF smoking is banned now then that's just something they are using to teach them discipline. They'll have to learn how to handle going cold turkey for a while if something went wrong on the combat field.

[Cultural Jihad]

I understand how supporting compulsive behaviors might be important to drug addicts, but try to lose the Nazi hyperbole, since all it does is to insult the memories of those slain by Nazism.

[LloydChristmas]

It is now time to ban all smoking.

[Just another Joe]

Same link. I've already seen that one.
You're the one that made the statement, now you want me to source it for you?
Same old minion. All you can do is say, "I think it stinks. Daddy govt, ban it."

[Just another Joe]

Its the stench of the smoke and the insistance on smoking anywhere and everywhere wihout any thought of its effects on others. Its the attitude.

And minion says, "I think it stinks. Daddy govt, ban it."

[Just another Joe]

Its the stench of the smoke and the insistance on smoking anywhere and everywhere wihout any thought of its effects on others. Its the attitude.

And BTW, you can parrot that all you want to, it doesn't make it true.

[Just another Joe]

I understand how supporting compulsive behaviors might be important to drug addicts,

And I'll tell you the same thing I tell the others.
If all you can do is call names.... BITE ME.

[VRWC_minion]

It's not obvious to me.

From the marine corps regulations on smoking



6. Policy. It is Marine Corps policy to discourage the use of
tobacco products, to protect all personnel from exposure to ETS
to the greatest extent possible, and to provide users of
tobacco products with encouragement and professional assistance
in stopping their dependency on tobacco products. The
objective is to establish a safe, healthy, and "tobacco/ smoke
free" environment for all personnel.


a. Smoking is prohibited in Marine Corps occupied
buildings and facilities as noted below:


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(1) Base Family Housing. In the common areas of
multiple family units.


(2) Auditoriums and Theaters.
(3) Conference Rooms, Classrooms, and Libraries.
(4) Elevators.
(5) Official Buses, Vans, and Shuttle Vehicles.
(6) Gymnasiums and Youth Activity Centers.
(7) Child Care Centers.
(8) Family Day Care Homes. Smoking in Family Day Care
Homes shall not be permitted when children, other than the
provider's own, are present unless the parents of those
children voluntarily consent thereto in writing.


(9) Work Areas. Indoor work areas where a central air
system is in use. Commanding officers may allow smoking in
private offices only if that office meets the ventilation
criteria described under paragraph 3f of this Order. In common
work areas, without a central air system, space may be planned
to accommodate the preferences of smokers and nonsmokers
provided that:


(a) Efficiency of work units will not be
impaired.


(b) Additional space or costly alterations will
not be required.


(10) Barracks. Smoking and nonsmoking preference
shall be considered in the assignment of barracks berthing
space. There shall be no smoking in BOQ/ BEQ rooms or squadbays
shared by smokers and nonsmokers. When it is impractical to
segregate smokers and nonsmokers, smoking is prohibited. In
barracks which have a central ventilation system smoking is
prohibited.


(11) Corridors, Lobbies, and Restrooms. Corridors,
lobbies, and restrooms shall be designated as no-smoking areas
unless they are well ventilated, are not supplied by central
air, and are designated as a smoking area by the commanding
officer.


b. Commanding officers may designate and post smoking
areas, as necessary, in all eating facilities under Marine
Corps control. Smoking areas shall be permitted only if
adequate space is available for nonsmokers and ventilation is


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adequate to provide them a healthy environment. These areas
must be clearly marked as a "SMOKING DESIGNATED AREA."


c. Smoking on aircraft shall be regulated by the
operational directive for each aircraft type and as required by
Federal law.


d. Within medical treatment facilities, smoking is
prohibited. All medical treatment facilities will be
designated as "smoke free" facilities.


7. Action. To create a social environment that supports a
abstinence and discourages use of tobacco products, and to
enforce the restrictions on smoking in Marine Corps occupied
buildings and facilities the following actions are directed:


a. The CMC (MH) will:

[HarryDunne]

[VRWC_minion]

http://www.usmc.mil/directiv.nsf/0/4ee9aeee4ca463fd8525649700649295/$FILE/MCO%205100.28.pdf

[kevao]

try to lose the Nazi hyperbole, since all it does is to insult the memories of those slain by Nazism.

Am I to understand that you're the spokesmouth of all those slain by Nazism?

[Fury]

Rep. Roger Landry said that after his decade-long battle against cancer, he puts health concerns over personal freedoms cited by the bill's opponents.

My father died in mid-April after lung cancer came back. He could not kick the habit. In the Summer of 1998 he had ~40% of each lung removed after they found lung cancer. He started smoking again in about 12 months.

I miss him, but it was ultimately his choice. His death deprived his family of their father, but that does not give persons so affected any more of a moral high ground to ban smoking. I don't smoke, consider it mostly un-healthy, but I'll support and respect people's right to light up. It's their choice.

[VRWC_minion]

Source: Stars & Stripes, 2002-12-30
Author: Joseph Giordono, Stars and Stripes / Pacific edition, Tuesday, December 31, 2002

Intro: CAMP ZAMA, Japan The Army and Air Force also want to extinguish their smokers' desires to light up. According to Army Regulation 600-63, issued in 1996, from the moment a recruit enters boot camp, tobacco use is "controlled." Commanders and supervisors are instructed to "also encourage family members and retirees to engage in appropriate anti-tobacco activities."

And the Air Force joined earlier this month in a worldwide ban on smoking in all Morale, Welfare and Recreation facilities on military bases. . .

Like the Navy, the Army and Air Force, including Yokota Air Base, also have ordered their clubs to become smoke-free, with limited smoking areas. Signs posted at the Camp Zama Community Center, for instance, specify that all its facilities forbid smoking.

Soldiers indicated they share sailors' views against an outright ban on their right to smoke. . .

And even though the Navy and Marine Corps ban tobacco use during recruit training, Navy research shows that up to 10 percent of graduating boot camp recruits begin a tobacco habit upon leaving basic training and up to 80 percent of previous users return to their tobacco habit after they graduate.

[Madame Dufarge]

but try to lose the Nazi hyperbole, since all it does is to insult the memories of those slain by Nazism.

If it walks like a Nazi, it's not hyperbole. Trying to dilute the argument with the "insult the memories" ploy doesn't detract from the truth of the characterization at all.

Not one bit.

[Just another Joe]

I see nothing about banning smoking in any of those regulations.
I see prohibitions against smoking in specified areas. Those have been in place since, at least, 1980 when I joined the service.
All it basically says is that there must be enough ventilation.

[Becki]

So, his son is in boot camp.

The social programmers he is so enamored of have allowed gays in boot camp.

He should tell his son to be less concerned about the guy next to him with a smoke and more concerned about the guy behind him.

Becki