Passive Smoking Doesn't Cause Cancer - Official

13 November 2002

[VRWCmember]

As a public service, the following is posted in order to bring a fresh perspective to this discussion in case any of the posters here have tried to quit smoking and feel bad about the difficulty they have had:

[Leisler]

"...the nation WITHOUT legal challenges???????..."

What a turnip. Did you ever hear of slavery? Like how long has man had slavery? Say since the beginning of time. And when did we, in America anyways, end it? Just a little over a hundred years ago. So, in answer, things take time. And it wasn't by law. Liberty is expanded by violence and force against those that would have others do their bidding without their consent. Every ruler has had "law" since the beginning of time. Hitler, Stalin, Mao and even Castro have laws. Law, liberty. Two different words. Two different realities. Wake up. Law is not liberty, and a state full of laws is no proof, at all, of liberty and a free state. Equating law and liberty is pathetic. Furthermore, and you know this, we are not a democratic state, but a republic. And that means that the state is limited in it's powers. Although thanks to your type, who each and every day hand over their liberty to the state, America is becoming a less free nation. Thanks for selling out for a minor friction in the public intercourse, what a hero you are.

[Leisler]

Agreed.

[Eaker]

My wife and I sat by her dad's beside while he died from cancer from smoking.

Please post his death certificate proving your assertion.

Eaker

[Gabz]

You're wrong - you are the one that needs to shut up.

The anti smokers spent nearly $6 million to change the constitution of the state of Florida to remove the rights of certain business owners to permit smoking within the confines of their private property.

In other words those business owners did have the right - and whiney little nico-nazis like you worked your butts off to strip them of their rights.

I'm thrilled you are so proud of yourselves - but calling your self a conservative disgusts me.

[Gabz]

I don't have a wife - so I can't answer the question - even using my own rules.

[VRWCmember]

That was a bit crass of you.

[cinFLA]

Furthermore, and you know this, we are not a democratic state, but a republic. And that means that the state is limited in it's powers.

Correct. We elect representatives to go and pass anti-smoking laws. That is the way a republic works.

[cinFLA]

In other words those business owners did have the right - and whiney little nico-nazis like you worked your butts off to strip them of their rights.

If so, please cite the enumeration. If not, then take your not-so-informed opinion of Florida law and stuff it.

[cinFLA]

Still waiting for your yes/no answer!

[cinFLA]

You're wrong - you are the one that needs to shut up. The anti smokers spent nearly $6 million to change the constitution of the state of Florida to remove the rights of certain business owners to permit smoking within the confines of their private property. In other words those business owners did have the right - and whiney little nico-nazis like you worked your butts off to strip them of their rights.

What smoking right? All this proves is that the state has the right to prohibit. That has been my argument all along. Or have you forgotten?

[cinFLA]

A minor distintion. We are a republic, NOT a dictatorship. Your argument fails review.

[cinFLA]

You are a little off in your analysis of the 9th and 10th Amendments.

And you, provide NO analysis.

[Eaker]

You make assertions as though they are facts and I simply thought that you could take some time to prove your point for once.

I have never seen a death certificate that has shown the cause of death as cigarette smoking. Since you state this as a fact in his case I thought that his would be the first.

Oh well, guess not.

Eaker

[cinFLA]

The anti smokers spent nearly $6 million to change the constitution of the state of Florida to remove the rights of certain business owners to permit smoking within the confines of their private property.

Have you even read the admendment? If so, you would find that you might even agree with some of it.

[Eaker]

Whoops, got you two mixed up. Names kinda similar and all.

Eaker

[RnMomof7]

As a former smoker that HAD to quit I LOVE passive smoke..yes once an addict always an addict...

[VRWCmember]

And you, provide NO analysis

No analysis needed. I stated in plain terms what each of the two amendments in question say. Your suggestion, that the non-enumeration of a right (e.g. property rights) denies that right to the people, is a contradiction of what is stated in the 9th amendment.

[VRWCmember]

Confusion understandable. Still, your comment to VRWCminion was crass. How about asking a family member of one of the DC area sniper victims to post a copy of the death certificate proviing that Mohammed and Malvo caused his relative's death.