New Frontier in Random Drug Testing: Checking High Schoolers for Tobacco

Associated Press ^ | Oct. 7, 2002 | Greg Giuffrida

[MrLeRoy]

Your bluff

No bluff; your criterion for deciding constitutionality is invalid, as even you realize when the subject is Roe v Wade.

[Roscoe]

Minors have all rights we have. They are too young to exercise them so they are held in proxy and exercised by their parents.

Their parents vote for them? Must be Democrats.

[MrLeRoy]

Find even one authority or court decision

Your criterion for deciding constitutionality is invalid, as even you realize when the subject is Roe v Wade.

[Roscoe]

The ninth is in plain english. ALL rights are retained by the people, enumerated or not.

That isn't what it says.

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Find a single authority or court decision that holds that illicit drug use is an unemumerated right under the Ninth Amendment.

Just one.

[freeeee]

Their parents vote for them? Must be Democrats.

1. The vote is recieved when the child becomes the age of majority and holds capacity. This is directly addressed in the 26th Amendment.

2. Parents are presumed to vote in their child's best interests.

None of this means that rights guaranteed in the Bill of Rights do not apply to minors, when exercised through their parents.

[A CA Guy]

Thas why I say they CAN enter into contracts legally. It is possible. But a parent can't approve of a vice for their child. They would forfiet the children.

[tpaine]

You're starting your silly nitpicking, repetitive behaviors again.
-- Keep up the good work.

[MrLeRoy]

Find a single authority or court decision

Your criterion for deciding constitutionality is invalid, as even you realize when the subject is Roe v Wade.

[freeeee]

But a parent can't approve of a vice for their child. They would forfiet the children.

Agreed. But they can assert 4th Amendment rights for the child. A public school can ask a parent to search a child. The parent can consent to the search or reject the request, regardless of what the child wants.

If the parent asserts the child's 4th Amendment rights, the school, being a government agency is bound by the 4th Amendment's requirement for probable cause and a warrant.

[Roscoe]

Really? Rehnquist wrote a superb dissent.

[Spiff]

Another day, another couple Freedoms gone.

If you choose to put your children in socialist, state-run institutions, you must accept the consequences that has to their freedoms and yours.

[Roscoe]

1. The vote is recieved when the child becomes the age of majority and holds capacity. This is directly addressed in the 26th Amendment.

Non sequitur.

[MrLeRoy]

Rehnquist wrote a superb dissent.

Ah, so dissenting opinions count as "authority"? Works for me. By the same token, majority opinions that were later overturned would have to count as "authority." Let's see what we can find ....

[tpaine]

 "Your criterion for deciding constitutionality is invalid, as even you realize when the subject is Roe v Wade." - MrLR
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Exactly. - Notice how roscoe could not counter my reasoning here:

Posted by tpaine to Roscoe
On News/Activism Oct 8 12:55 PM #126 of 148

"Roe v. Wade invented a "Constitional right" to commit abortions out of thin air." - roscoe


Not at all. R-v-W, in effect, told states to obey the 14th amendment in the writing of abortion law.
Outright prohibition of abortion was declared unconstitutional for a number of specified reasons. - Read it.

[Fraulein]

Bump!

[freeeee]

Non sequitur.

You brought up the topic of the vote, and the conversation involves constitutional rights of minors.

[Roscoe]

You brought up the topic of the vote

Right. Kids don't have a right to vote.

[Roscoe]

Ah, so dissenting opinions count as "authority"?

The Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court isn't an authority?

Let's see what we can find ....

Please do. It would be novel to see you bring something to the table.

[freeeee]

Kids don't have a right to vote.

As directly addressed by an amendment.

Now, to get back on topic, find me the one that says that they have to be 18 to assert 4th Amendment rights (or anything else in the Bill of Rights) through their legal proxies.

[Roscoe]

As directly addressed by an amendment.

Even before the "amendment."