Pregnant woman shot over cigarette (The Hate has GOT to STOP)

The Times-Picayune ^ | 5 October 2002 | Michael Perlstein

[metesky]

You never see an anti-gun advocate shooting up abortion clinics

On the other hand you never see pro-gun advocates sucking the brains out of nearly born infants.

[LionelHutz]

No, I think I'd like to push this a bit. I've seen two responses here to those that criticize women that smoke while pregnant:

1. There is no real danger to unborn children if there mother smoke.

2. People that criticize mothers that smoke should mind their own business.

If your argument includes #1, then I think that should be the debate. Go ahead and try to make the case that smoking does not harm the unborn.

But if you are arguing #2 without establishing #1, then you are saying nothing other that "it's my body, so it's my choice."

And to go just one step further, if a non- (or anti-, whatever) smoker confronts a pregnant woman who is smoking based on a good faith belief that the smoking is harming the child, isn't that person defending the unborn? If you have a response to them, shouldn't it be only to inform them that they have been "duped" by the anti-smoking forces on this issue?

[Madame Dufarge]

No, I think I'd like to push this a bit

Push all you want, Your Pomposity.

I've stated my opinion.

If you have a response to them, shouldn't it be only to inform them that they have been "duped" by the anti-smoking forces on this issue?

Is there an echo in here? So glad my point got through.

And regardless of your yeoman-like efforts, the topic of this thread is still not about pregnancy and smoking. It's about the demonization of smoking and smokers.

[Cvengr]

Nope, it sounds like a hangfire coupled with a gun in the hands of somebody as an accident looking for a place to happen.

Nevertheless all things happen for a reason. God doesn't tempt, so I wouldn't interpret this as God judging her, but then again many times God simply lets those who are rebellious, suffer at their hands and those of others.

But if I were the woman, considering she received physical harm, I'd take it more seriously than just some nut with a gun.

[Cvengr]

Must of been a little smokey in the maternity ward.

[albee]

"...If I have the righ to bear arms, then I have the right to own a nuclear bomb - if you say no, then you are for gun control."

You must be a genius to be able to create an atomic bomb. I couldn't tell it from the logic of your posts but since the government will never sell one to you and you are so damned smart, if you can invent one, be my guest.

[CDHart]

"My God, I smoked before, during and AFTER my pregnancy! My daughter is a grown woman now, and healthy as can be."

So did I, and my daughter is 38 and healthy, thank God. I also drank coffee, beer and 7&7, although not too much of the last. The world has become a lunatic asylum and the lunatics are in charge.

Carolyn

[wku man]

What a stupid comment. Get a life, newbie. Either that or get back to the DU sewer from whence you crawled last month.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

[semaj]

Some of the women here who admit to smoking while pregnant need to have your heads examined. You make the claim that it had not effect on your baby as if it somehow vindicates your unthinking selfishness. Great, your kids were born healthy, that's something to be thankful for. If I was a pregnant women and there was any possibility that my smoking habit could cause harm to my unborn child, the least I could do would be to abstain until the child was born.

I appreciate the gist of your argument, that the anti-tobacco campaign is getting ridiculously out of hand. I concur. However it is hard for me to sympathize with someone who would place more importance on continuing a self-destructive habit than to temporarily curb said habit for the good of their unborn child.

[John Lenin]

My mom smoked and a lot of boomers mom's smoked. Quit insulting an entire generation you morons.

[TheMole]

Here are a couple of links to stories about the 13-year-old kicked to death in New Smyrna Beach. The 15-year-old killer is identified as James "J.J." Watson, who lives with his mother Shelley Buhler and his stepfather Jeffrey Buhler. No races are given or pictures shown. I would judge by the names that all involved are white, although there is the possibility that the killer has a black father. The skate park near the scene of the killing appears to be used by black and white kids if one judges by the following photo from the Orlando Sentinel:

Caption: IN NEW SMYRNA BEACH - Jamie McKenzie (from left), 14, Amario Dempsey, 15, and Joy Martin, 14, gather at a makeshift memorial at the skate park where Shane Michael Farrell, 13, was attacked.

So ... it's not possible to say for sure what race the killer is. The complete absence of any mention of race is noteworthy and suspicious. What I personally find rather pertinent about these stories is that there is no mention whatsover of the biological father of either the victim or the killer. The politically correct newspaper writers do not, of course, discuss this in any way.

The links:

Grieving mom searches for peace at skate park

Offer: Staff park for safety

Photo: In New Smyrna Beach

[SheLion]

You listen here: My daughter is 29 years old. Back when I was pregnant with her, we didn't HAVE anti smokers OR junk science thank God! My daughter never suffered from colds, flues or asthma. I also drank alcohol at parties and took aspirins when I had a headache, during pregnancy. She was still a big healthy baby! How about that!

I surely don't have to justify myself to you, but I want to tell you: IT’S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS! GET OFF THE BUS!

[SheLion]

The world has become a lunatic asylum and the lunatics are in charge.

Well, they THINK they are in charge. Actually, they are just lunatics. Wanting to control everyone's life. Well, do I have news for THEM! heh!

These loonies who shoot and/or stomp to death someone over cigarettes need to be locked up!

[SheLion]

However it is hard for me to sympathize with someone who would place more importance on continuing a self-destructive habit than to temporarily curb said habit for the good of their unborn child.

Smoking is no more harmful for a pregnant woman then a pregnant woman gouging herself with food and putting on 60 pounds which causes all KINDS of health dangers! For her AND for her baby!

My one friend didn't smoke but she ate until she weighed in at 210! The Doctor had to give her a C-Section a month early because the baby was in danger of the mother giving birth. So, don't tell ME that smoking can be worse. This gal was at great risk! And so was her baby!

[Bella_Bru]

Yeah, Gabz, you know once we were allowed to smoke (nevermind that many did anyway), we also started having other "dangerous" ideas. Such as that we weren't property anymore.

[Gabz]

Go ahead and try to make the case that smoking does not harm the unborn.

WRONG - you (meanings anti-smokers) have made the statement AS FACT that smoking harms the unborn - it is your responsibility to make the case this is so.

If, as is claimed by the anti-smokers that maternal smoking while pregnant is SO detrimental to the unborn - why are their so many healthly and successful baby-boomers being productive members of society?

[Gabz]

But if I were the woman, considering she received physical harm, I'd take it more seriously than just some nut with a gun.

Who died and left you in charge? - HOW DARE you decide what another should or should not do.

[Gabz]

Some of the women here who admit to smoking while pregnant need to have your heads examined.

You are insulting and owe each one of us an apology.

Who are you to judge how other people choose to live their lives????

[Gabz]

Smoking is no more harmful for a pregnant woman then a pregnant woman gouging herself with food and putting on 60 pounds which causes all KINDS of health dangers! For her AND for her baby!

OUCH SheLion - I put on about 55 pounds when I was pregnant - can you picture me weighing in at 170????

A week later I was down at 130 and by the time I went for my 6 week check-up I was back at my fighting weight of 115 - and lest anyone else forget - I'm 5 foot 10!!!!!

But all kidding aside........there are a myriad of health dangers for everyone, including pregnant women, that never BOTHERED anyone a generation or two ago. Our grandmothers that drank alcohol, smoked and ate beef while pregnant gave birth to our healthy parents, who in turn gave birth to us their healthy offspring, who have now given birth to our own healthy offspring.

I'm actually starting to wonder if these health freaks aren't actually creating a generation of sickly kids right on their own. It sure seems the generations of kids of smokers and drinkers are doing very well.

[SheLion]

Allowing women to smoke has caused a myriad of problems, both healthwise, and otherwise.