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Report Says Diesel Exhaust "PROBABLY" Causes Cancer
msnbc.com ^
Posted on 09/04/2002 7:10:51 AM PDT by Retired Chemist
WASHINGTON, Sept. 3 Diesel exhausts from large trucks and other sources probably cause lung cancer, the Environmental Protection Agency concluded Tuesday in a report that buttresses a push to reduce truck emissions through stricter requirements for cleaner diesel fuel.
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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cancer; dieselexhaust; pollution; pufflist
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The government is making too many decisions base on probably!
To: Retired Chemist
I can see how diesel exhaust may aggravate respiratory disorders, and even increase the cancer risk to some extent.
But I notice that this MSNBC report carefully avoids stating any numbers -- which leads me to believe that the actual risk factor may be pretty small.
Fun with numbers, apparently.
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posted on
09/04/2002 7:16:13 AM PDT
by
r9etb
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To: r9etb
report carefully avoids stating any numbers A touchey problem is that the political left are city dwellers who invest heavily in diesel buses which obviously operate in close contact with people. This has class action lawsuit potential that could bankrupt the liberal establishment. They do have most laywers and judges to protect them though.
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posted on
09/04/2002 7:25:05 AM PDT
by
Reeses
To: Retired Chemist
Diesel exhausts from large trucks and other sources probably cause lung cancer, the Environmental Protection Agency concluded Tuesday in a report More junk science absent peer review.
To: r9etb
This Just in.........."Breathing probably causes cancer".......
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posted on
09/04/2002 7:27:39 AM PDT
by
hunyb
To: Retired Chemist
Of course. These decisions are for a population that is too stupid to care about - let alone understand - confidence intervals or standard deviations. This population babbles glibly about special rights for -2 s.d. individuals and still denies the existance of >+2 s.d. people. Imagine the conversation between a 0 s.d. and a +4.
Read UncleAl. You may not agree with anything but it's fun to read. That's unlike most drivel from the media.
To: SrBahamonde
No. I drive a Y2K VW NewBeetle TDI and my wife drives a 2003 Jetta Wagon TDI.
Up the driveway from me is a '78-ish Rabbit diesel with ~450 thousand miles on the odometer.
To: Retired Chemist; *puff_list; SheLion
This is absolutely ridiculous. Everyone knows that only cigarette smoking and exposure to a whiff of tobacco smoke causes cancer. The EPA told us so. /sarcasm
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posted on
09/04/2002 7:46:17 AM PDT
by
Gabz
To: Gabz
Yes, and then everyone ignored the WHO contradiction.
The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.
To: Retired Chemist
Everyone knows that left-wing politics causes cancer.
To: Retired Chemist
(fill in the blank) causes cancer... according to "scientists", pretty much everything causes cancer...
Sure, if you expose rats to 10,000 times the normal rate of whatever...it will cause cancer. If you feed rats 10 bags of M&Ms every day for 20 years, they will develop cancer.. All we've learned from decades of junk science is.. Lab rats are 20 times more likely to develop cancer.
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posted on
09/04/2002 7:54:58 AM PDT
by
goodieD
To: grobdriver
"More junk science absent peer review."
BINGO!
It's time for Bush to clean up the EPA.
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posted on
09/04/2002 7:58:53 AM PDT
by
ozone1
To: ozone1
It's time for Bush to clean up the EPA. It's time for the EPA to become history.
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posted on
09/04/2002 8:05:23 AM PDT
by
Gabz
To: Retired Chemist
This just in, cellular mitosis causes cancer. Update at 11..
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posted on
09/04/2002 8:19:42 AM PDT
by
Paradox
To: r9etb
I can see how diesel exhaust may aggravate respiratory disorders, and even increase the cancer risk to some extent. Could you explain how it is that you can see how this is possible? I cannot see how diesel exhaust, which is made up of heavy particulate matter that falls to the ground rather than entering the air that people breathe, can cause harm to people.
To: MosesKnows
which is made up of heavy particulate matter that falls to the ground rather than entering the air that people breathe, can cause harm to people. It doesn't just stick to the ground, of course. It gets picked up and blown around by breezes and the wakes of passing cars. And, of course, the particulates can and do float in the air for quite a long time before they actually settle (as anyone who's watched truck exhaust can easily verify).
IOW, it'd be very easy to breathe this stuff in, and for people who are predisposed to lung problems it could aggravate their condition to some degree.
But the real question, as I noted earlier, is the risk factor associated with diesel exhaust. I suspect it's pretty small: first, because the story didn't mention it; and second, because the evidence (if any) is clearly not obvious to the casual observer.
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09/04/2002 9:14:57 AM PDT
by
r9etb
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To: Retired Chemist
"The potential human health effects of diesel exhausts is persuasive, even though assumptions and uncertainties are involved. In other words: I can't even contruct a grammatically correct sentence, and I am TELLING you it is full of assumptions and uncertainties, but I want you to believe me when I say diesel is bad for you "
"the potential [...] effects [...] is persuasive" ????
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posted on
09/04/2002 9:18:55 AM PDT
by
Mr. K
To: Gabz
Diesel exhausts from large trucks and other sources probably cause lung cancer, the Environmental Protection Agency concluded Tuesday in a report that buttresses a push to reduce truck emissions through stricter requirements for cleaner diesel fuel. My gosh! You mean something else causes lung cancer besides SMOKING? OH MY GOD WHAT A BREAK-THOUGH!! heh!![](http://www.hostfile.com/home/darlene/eyebrow.gif)
(Gabz, sorry I haven't been online. Had phone unhooked because we are having terrible lightening and I don't want to fry my MODEM again!)
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posted on
09/04/2002 10:01:57 AM PDT
by
SheLion
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