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To: Leisler
Smoke bans existed back when our country was founded. Somehow the founders didn't think it was a right that needed to be protected, thank God.
93 posted on 09/03/2002 3:54:00 PM PDT by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
"Smoke bans existed back when our country was founded… Yes and no. It wasn’t nationwide. Elizabethan Puritans were gone over a hundred years before the revolution, and even at their height didn’t have influence beyond 50 or so miles from Boston. Tobacco, even as far north as Massachusetts and New York were very prized crops and provided a important source of trade and revenue. Certainly that was the case in the mid Atlantic and southers states.

… Somehow the founders didn't think it was a right that needed to be protected, thank God." Wrong. Tobacco was a export crop and its money, even then, was very much needed. So in as much as they thought about it, it would have been positive. Tobacco leaves decorate many state seals, and capitals. I doubt they gave any political/philosophic thought to tobacco smoking as a right, not that it is, or should be, and enumerated right.

All this aside, you didn’t answer any of the real instances I listed of today’s government and its agents increasing the states power over the individual under the guise, real or imagined, of public heath, safety, and the environment. But I doubted that you would, or could.

95 posted on 09/03/2002 4:53:44 PM PDT by Leisler
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To: Leisler
Smoke bans existed back when our country was founded. Somehow the founders didn't think it was a right that needed to be protected, thank God.

Tell VRWC_minion that HITLER was the only one that banned smoking back in 1938!  Then KLINTOON in 1998.

108 posted on 09/03/2002 5:48:14 PM PDT by SheLion
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" Smoke bans existed back when our country was founded. Somehow the founders didn't think it was a right that needed to be protected, thank God."

They never assumed it would be a problem. Open up a history book. Many of the founding fathers were tobacco farmers. They never thought that our country would take a hard turn to the left because communism was not a concept back then that anyone could grasp. They didn't believe that people like yourself would ever exist in this great nation.
124 posted on 09/03/2002 8:16:32 PM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: VRWC_minion
Smoke bans existed back when our country was founded. Somehow the founders didn't think it was a right that needed to be protected, thank God.

Hmmmm, been reading that revisionist history again I see. The Founders didn't believe private property rights and individual liberties would ever be thrown away by the wimps and nannies. Your timing is off a couple hundred years in either direction.

126 posted on 09/03/2002 9:27:53 PM PDT by Max McGarrity
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