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Bloomberg Seeks to Ban Smoking in Every Restaurant and Bar
The New York Times ^ | August 9, 2002 | JENNIFER STEINHAUER

Posted on 08/09/2002 1:47:28 AM PDT by sarcasm

The Bloomberg administration will ask the City Council to amend New York City's antismoking law to include all restaurants and bars, making it one of the toughest in the nation.

The current law, passed in 1995, forbids smoking in all restaurants with more than 35 seats, and excludes stand-alone bars and the bar areas of all restaurants. The proposed amendment would add roughly 13,000 establishments that would be forced to ban smoking entirely.

A state bill banning smoking in all restaurants passed the Assembly this year and had enough support to pass in the Senate. But under pressure from Gov. George E. Pataki, who insisted on exempting small restaurants, and a heavy lobbying campaign by restaurant groups and the tobacco and liquor industries, the Senate's Republican leaders never put the bill to a vote.

However, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg — who, along with his health commissioner, Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, is persistently anti-tobacco — views bars and restaurants as workplaces before social establishments, and has said that employees within them should have the same option of a smoke-free environment as those who work in offices.

"The mayor will push this," one administration official said, "for all the same reasons he pushed the cigarette tax. He makes changes to things that he thinks are important."

Mr. Bloomberg gained approval from Albany this year to raise the taxes on cigarettes, making the cost of a pack about $7.50 in the city. The administration is expected to announce its plans to amend the antismoking law on Monday. Even cigar bars, if they serve alcohol, are likely to be included in the legislation.

In the last month, the mayor has quietly lined up support in the Council, where several members are likely to sponsor a bill at his request forcing all smoking New Yorkers to do their puffing outdoors. (Under the 1995 law, smoking was outlawed in public places like theaters and offices.)

Among those consulted was Councilman James S. Oddo from Staten Island, who came up with his own more modest bill this spring to expand the smoking laws to small restaurants. Hearings were never held on the bill.

"The health commissioner and the mayor make a very compelling argument for legislation that goes well beyond my bill," he said yesterday. "I am seriously considering sponsoring it."

Edward Skyler, a spokesman for Mr. Bloomberg, would not comment last night.

Timothy Filler, the associate director of Americans for Nonsmokers' Rights, said the amendment "would be hugely significant."

"New York is a bellwether and a city that many others look toward as a leader," he added. "If New York City were to do something that included restaurants and bars, it would be a great step forward in public health."

The city is bound to meet some resistance from both some restaurants and bars and those that represent them, although the New York State Restaurant Association recently reversed its longstanding opposition to the proposed state law after a survey showed that 76 percent of its 7,000 members favored the law.

"Our position has been that we have some of the strictest rules in the country, and we have learned to live with them, and we think they should be left alone," said E. Charles Hunt, the executive vice president of the restaurant association.

However, he added: "If a total ban is proposed in all public places, I think people are going to say nobody has an advantage over anyone else and would seriously consider whether or not that might work. The whole thing seems to be boiling down to an employee safety issue at this point."

Lawmakers in Nassau and Suffolk Counties are considering similar measures, officials there said.

If such a law were passed, New York City would join two states — California and Delaware — and scores of municipalities that ban smoking in just about every workplace, including bars and restaurants.

Three other states — Maine, Utah and Vermont — have statewide bans on smoking in all restaurants. Municipalities have been more aggressive in seeking tough and broad antismoking laws, largely because local legislatures are less vulnerable to the powerful tobacco industry lobby.

New York State law requires that a restaurant have a nonsmoking area that encompasses at least 70 percent of its seats, but the smoking area can be in the same room.

There are 72 municipalities in America that ban smoking in any restaurant or bar, according to Mr. Filler, and hundreds offer some other variation on a law against public smoking, allowing people to light up in stand-alone bars, or permitting smoking in restaurant bars that have separate ventilation systems.

In California, where the Legislature passed a law in 1994 that banned smoking in all workplaces, including bars and restaurants, many tavern and restaurant owners feared dire economic consequences. Some studies, including one by the state's sales tax collection agency in 1998, actually showed an increase in sales after the law was enacted.

"I don't believe a New Yorker would choose a steakhouse in Weehawken over Ruth's Chris in New York City because of a smoking regulation," Mr. Oddo said yesterday.

Mr. Bloomberg, who has a school of public health named after him, is aggressively antismoking. When he lobbied for his cigarette tax, he insisted that he did not care whether the city made or lost money, but rather that the tax would keep children from smoking. He has been known to chide reporters for their puffing, and has takes slaps at the tobacco industry in speeches.

He has found a kindred spirit in Dr. Frieden, the health commissioner, who said when he was appointed that his main priority would be to combat smoking. Dr. Frieden has even produced a radio advertisement deploring secondhand smoke.


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To: SheLion
The 21st Amendment allows states states to regulate the sale of alcohol, even to the point of prohibition. The states can allow local governments to exercise this power if they choose.

The foregoing is not to be construed as an endorsement of dry laws.

81 posted on 08/09/2002 7:28:37 AM PDT by Freemyland
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To: sarcasm
"— views bars and restaurants as workplaces before social establishments, and has said that employees within them should have the same option of a smoke-free environment as those who work in offices."

Your option to work: "This is a smoking establishment... you want the job or not?"

82 posted on 08/09/2002 7:29:17 AM PDT by grumpster-dumpster
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To: Your Nightmare
#33........ You have a right to seek out a bar or restaurant which does not allow smoking ....... that as far as your rights go.
83 posted on 08/09/2002 7:30:41 AM PDT by Great Dane
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To: handk
The way it used to be, according to the United States Supreme Court

How the heck did we let the subtle change turn that around? I think We The People have been sleeping too long! And you know what they say about sleeping dogs? Do NOT wake them up! Well, we sleeping dogs ARE waking up, aren’t we? I think it's time we take back America and the rights of the people!

84 posted on 08/09/2002 7:33:25 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: WyldKard
(Last time I buy a ticket from WJ Clinton Travel.)

LOL! That's funny!

Oh! Clinton? Did you say CLINTON????

This was your Travel Agent, right?

85 posted on 08/09/2002 7:35:55 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: WyldKard
"Kinda riding the line rather thin here, aren't you?"

Not at all; I see it as a rather thick line. Tobacco is a legal product. And the "privacy of their own home" does not protect an individual from legal action.

86 posted on 08/09/2002 7:37:17 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: WyldKard
Gee Rob, aren't you the guy who thinks that people should be forbidden from smoking pot in the privacy of their own home...yet you have no problems with restaurant owners allowing smokers in their establishments, as a matter of freedom of choice?

Big difference, pot is illegal, cigarettes are not.

87 posted on 08/09/2002 7:39:50 AM PDT by Great Dane
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To: SheLion
Absolutely.

When I read that excerpt from Hale v. Henkel I think to myself; "Wow! What country is that? I want to move there!"

88 posted on 08/09/2002 7:42:02 AM PDT by handk
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To: SheLion
I hope this causes their tourism income to drop to zilch.

Funny you should mention that, Ottawa's tourism is down 13%, the powers that be claim that as the reason business is down, but 4 other Cities with compromised smoking laws, are down only 3-4%.

89 posted on 08/09/2002 7:44:23 AM PDT by Great Dane
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To: sarcasm
I am a NYC resident who will not be sorry to see smoking go away. If you are banning smoking in a workplace, bars and resataurants are certainly workplaces.

Look for more smoking rooms to be created. Nothing wrong with that.
90 posted on 08/09/2002 7:46:04 AM PDT by finnman69
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To: grumpster-dumpster
Your option to work: "This is a smoking establishment... you want the job or not?"

Exactly. If a prissy nose doesn't want to work around smoke, go down the street. No one holds a gun to anyone's head making them work in a bar/restaurant that allows smoking.

It's just lately that the prissy anti's got ahold of some weak minded bartenders and waitress's and put that full hardy notion into their heads that second hand smoke is killing them.

That is just downright inaccurate, deceitful and dishonest information. And I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't do the research to find out the truth. Instead, they just prefer to be brain washed by the anti smoking agenda makers.

91 posted on 08/09/2002 7:46:33 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Born to Conserve
Restaurants are already free to ban smoking. If what you say is true, then any restauranteur in his right mind has already prohibited smoking in his or her own establishment.

The problem is that the anti-smoking fascists can't sleep at night knowing that there might be some restuarant, somewhere, wherein the owner is catering to smokers in addition to people who aren't anti-smoking fascists, and hence they jump out of their beds to goosestep another unconservative, Liberty robbing, business regulating law into effect.

What a nation of poofters some of you are turning this former Republic into!

92 posted on 08/09/2002 7:47:05 AM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: Just another Joe
As for smokers being sad and pathetic, $crew you too, buddy!

We "Sleeping Dogs" are waking up, Joe! I think it's way over due, IMHO.

93 posted on 08/09/2002 7:48:14 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
"Well, no one takes a kid into a bar/restaurant. I know "I" sure wouldn't want to be around a bunch of screaming kids in a bar/restaurant. Take them to McDonalds! heh!

I share your sentements. But, I also live in a town where people think it's OK to have their kids in the bar area of the restaurant... No kidding, just last week a few of us were commenting on the fact a bunch of people were sitting at the bar with their kids (ages 5-9...with "hat balloons" and everything!)

I find that personally offensive... but I don't think we need a "law" to protect me from my feelings.

94 posted on 08/09/2002 7:50:28 AM PDT by grumpster-dumpster
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To: SheLion
Yeah..it was those freaky, evil eyes, must have hyp-mo-tiz-ed me!!
95 posted on 08/09/2002 7:52:23 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: robertpaulsen
Not at all; I see it as a rather thick line. Tobacco is a legal product. And the "privacy of their own home" does not protect an individual from legal action.

Yet, you think that restaurants should have the right to decide if they want people smoking in their restaurants or not, and that people should have the right to smoke or not. Yet you think that people shouldn't have any right to smoke pot at all. That's the thin line I'm talking about...
96 posted on 08/09/2002 7:54:16 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: Great Dane
No, no, no! Third world hellholes, tinpot dictatorships and communists call it bribery, GD.

This is the cosmopolitan, sophisticated US of A.

No one here accepts bribes.

Here, you go before a regulatory board, which votes on whether or not you meet the regulations and the guidelines before deciding to issue a license. Of course your circumstances could be mitigated by the payment of something extra for the good of all in the community.

But bribery? Please!

97 posted on 08/09/2002 7:56:14 AM PDT by metesky
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To: sarcasm
Isn't the health case against second-hand smoking basically bogus? Has anybody conducted a study of workers in workplaces that are constantly exposed to smoke?
98 posted on 08/09/2002 7:57:12 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: sarcasm
Haven't there been studies suggesting that tofu creates health dangers?
99 posted on 08/09/2002 7:57:44 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: muawiyah
How can you ever have a smoke free environment in Manhattan as long as taxis, trucks and buses are allowed to roll around?

Ssh, don't say that around Bloomberg. He might ban those next!

100 posted on 08/09/2002 8:00:36 AM PDT by aristeides
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