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Health groups critical of new smoking age
Daily Breeze ^ | Tuesday, June 25, 2002 | James P. Sweeney

Posted on 06/25/2002 1:16:19 PM PDT by Just another Joe

Health groups critical of new smoking age

By James P. Sweeney
COPLEY NEWS SERVICE

SACRAMENTO - When a West Hollywood legislator and a powerful doctor's lobby launched a drive earlier this month to raise the state's legal smoking age to 21, some prominent allies in the war on tobacco were conspicuously absent.

The proposal, which could make California the first state to outlaw cigarette sales to 18-, 19- and 20-year-olds, immediately drew national attention, including a poll that showed broad support for the idea.

Amid the applause, however, representatives of the state's heart, lung and cancer associations were sitting on their hands, or openly critical.

"It's silly," said Stan Glantz, a professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco and a leading anti-tobacco voice. "There is no good evidence that laws restricting sales of cigarettes to kids actually affect smoking by kids."

While it "sounds like a good idea," Glantz said, "it's just a waste of time."

Even worse, some public health advocates fear the measure may divert attention from a critical fight to preserve funding for a broad range of tobacco-control programs that have a proven track record in California.

With a state budget deficit approaching $24 billion, Gov. Gray Davis has asked for deep cuts in funding for the anti-tobacco campaign, a model that has pushed smoking rates to near national lows.

Long-term funding at issue

Long-term base funding for the tobacco-control program is at stake this year. One administration proposal would dedicate most of the state's $500 million a year from the national tobacco settlement to help balance the budget. That move alone could soak up some 80 percent of those funds for the next 22 years.

"In another year," said Lisa Rea of the American Heart Association, "maybe we would have gotten excited about" raising the legal smoking age to 21. "But it's not something that we can say is high on our priority list. It just isn't. The budget is everything this year."

Likewise, a spokeswoman said the American Cancer Society is taking no position on the legislation by Assemblyman Paul Koretz. The American Lung Association was initially ambivalent, but has since expressed support for the bill.

Only three other states have smoking ages higher than 18. In Alabama, Alaska and Utah the legal age is 19. Koretz's measure would be phased in so that it would not affect those 18 and older who now smoke.

The first-term Democrat is carrying the legislation for the California Medical Association, an organization of 35,000 physicians that has long been one of the state's most formidable political forces.

"Everybody accepts the idea that the drinking age should be 21 to reduce the number of traffic fatalities and other kinds of incidents," said Dr. Jack Lewin, the CMA's chief executive officer.

"The window of danger with alcohol is four to six hours after a teen-ager has been drinking. As physicians we know that the window of danger with tobacco is four to six decades."

Dr. Leonard Klay, a Santa Rosa obstetrician and gynecologist, persuaded the CMA's house of delegates to endorse the concept in February.

In the intervening months, the CMA and the public health groups discussed the timing of the legislation as the state's fiscal situation continued to deteriorate. The CMA declined to wait.

"It's very disheartening that we're not all together on this," said Ron Lopp, a CMA spokesman.

While many teen-agers are introduced to tobacco products long before they turn 18, Koretz and the CMA said most do not become addicted until they have easy access and can legally purchase cigarettes.

"It's easier to prevent smoking than it is to get people to quit," Dr. Klay said.

California's anti-tobacco campaign has pushed the adult smoking rate down to 17.4 percent, second only to Utah. But state data show that young adults have proven to be the toughest group to reach.

Smoking increases in group

Eighteen- to 24-year-olds are the only age group that has not shown a marked decline since 1989, when California initiated its aggressive anti-tobacco efforts. During that span, the number of 18- to 24-year-olds who smoke actually increased from 18.9 percent to 23.6 percent.

"By raising it to 21," Koretz said, "we dramatically reduce the number of people who are getting cigarettes at 16 and 17 by going into stores and looking close enough."

But Glantz, the UCSF professor, said age restrictions on tobacco sales are widely ignored and poorly enforced.

"We know that the way to reduce youth smoking is not by supply side controls, it's by demand reduction," Glantz said. "The state's anti-smoking program has achieved the lowest youth smoking rates in the country if not the world . . . and that's exactly what the governor is dismantling."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; US: California; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: hypocrites; pufflist; smoke; smokingage; stantonglantz; wodlist
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To: mamelukesabre
How bout black market spirits? Anyone know where I can pick up a used still?

Instructions/recipes
http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/Vineyard/3281/moonshine.html

61 posted on 06/25/2002 10:04:20 PM PDT by Darkshadow
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To: Gabz
The anti-smokers claim that nicotine is more addictive than cocaine or heroine. They also claim that for every increase in tobacco taxes there is a reduction in tobacco use. So, what we need to do is legalize cocaine and heroine, tack a hefty excise tax on it and increase that tax every 6 months or so. Voila no more addicts.

It worked in Colonial America. They all stopped drinking tea on the same night.

62 posted on 06/26/2002 5:03:52 AM PDT by TigersEye
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To: walden; Just another Joe
Buy your cigarettes from the Indians here:

http://www.indiansmokesonline. com/

All brands, no taxes.

I appreciate that link but I roll my own. Costs me about $150-$200 per year to smoke what would now cost over $2,700 in NYC by the pack.

See this thread.

63 posted on 06/26/2002 5:11:07 AM PDT by TigersEye
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To: Eastbound; A CA Guy
Or if you are financially-challenged like me and don't mind rolling your own with some mighty fine tobacco, check out:

I'll have to try their tobaccy. I've been smoking American Spirit for nine years now. Thanks for the link, now lets make it active so it's easier to use. Fer the chirren you know.

smokerswarehouse.com

64 posted on 06/26/2002 5:23:35 AM PDT by TigersEye
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To: mamelukesabre
No, you can buy all the smut you want at 18.
65 posted on 06/26/2002 5:29:31 AM PDT by biblewonk
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To: Darkshadow; TigersEye
How bout black market spirits? Anyone know where I can pick up a used still?

Instructions/recipes http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/Vineyard/3281/moonshine.html

Even better instructions/recipes: Building a World Class Home Distillation Apparatus
66 posted on 06/26/2002 5:33:57 AM PDT by WindMinstrel
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To: A CA Guy
So what is on this list that is "illegal" to sell a minor that is actually legal for them to be in possession of?

Cigs, booze, porn, illegal drugs and perhaps nukes?

I have the feeling that caffeine use isn't being regulated strictly enough.

67 posted on 06/26/2002 6:33:11 AM PDT by TigersEye
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To: nothingnew
"Beam me up Smokey,..."

"'He's dead, Jim. Take his 'Marlboro's.' "

(He had to take up smoking in self-defense, but it was the heat that got him in the end. Found him in the burning underbrush, they did.)

68 posted on 06/26/2002 7:27:45 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: A CA Guy
nimrod, the post is about RAISING the age limit to 21. YOUR kind of guy (authoritarian, liar, mis-representer of facts), Gantz, says it won't work. That "under-age" smokers will STILL get tobacco. In other words, prohibition is a failure, according to a prohibitionist.

I know of NO law that says a minor may not use tobacco; only that no one may sell to him or her. Please get your facts straight for once in your sad and hitherto useless life.
69 posted on 06/26/2002 8:13:22 AM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: dcwusmc
nimrod, I know of NO law that says a minor may not use tobacco; only that no one may sell to him or her. Please get your facts straight for once in your sad and hitherto useless life. dcwusmc

You always bring back grade-school memories with your verbiage.

http://www.ymn.org/tns/tns.jan 97briefs.shtml
Law Gives Teen Smokers Yet Another Reason To Kick The Habit.
The cost of cigarettes for teen smokers just went up -- to $75. That's the new penalty for possession of cigarettes by minors in California. Senate Bill 1849, which went into effect January 1, 1997, has made it illegal for anyone under 18 to possess tobacco products. The new law allows penalties of up to $75 for minors who are convicted of buying or possessing tobacco products and makes the maximum community service requirement 30 hours.

70 posted on 06/26/2002 9:02:08 AM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: A CA Guy
Like I should believe anything you post? Remember who you're talking to. I have SEEN your bs before and the stench is the same on this thread!
71 posted on 06/26/2002 9:34:47 AM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: walden
Well say. I have done virtually the same thing raising my three sons.

I think it is important, especially with young men, boys for that matter, to let them handle adult responsibilities as they wish to try.

You talk about building confidence, character, responsibility, and independence in our children, this is how you do it.

Alan Jackson says it quite simply, in his latest song:

"Daddy, let me drive"

72 posted on 06/26/2002 10:58:32 AM PDT by tahiti
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To: Just another Joe
As physicians we know that the window of danger with tobacco is four to six decades.

Bwahahaha! You can almost dig into the stupidity like soft clay.

Anyone else remember the Mr Show bit about Imminent Death Syndrome?

73 posted on 06/26/2002 12:32:19 PM PDT by jodorowsky
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To: Just another Joe
Koretz's measure would be phased in so that it would not affect those 18 and older who now smoke.

That's a very strange statement.

74 posted on 06/26/2002 10:48:06 PM PDT by altair
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