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I.N.S.ULT (INS Blows It... Again)
New York Post ^ | 5/30/02 | MURRAY WEISS

Posted on 05/30/2002 1:14:43 AM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:06:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Miss Marple
Sounds like INS needs more than a housecleaning. I think demotions and terminations are in order. I want an explanation for this from Ziglar and Ashcroft. Period.

Good.

I'll see your Ziglar and Ashcroft and raise you a Bush.




61 posted on 05/30/2002 6:07:02 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: WIMom; rintense; Wphile; Howlin; OhioWfan; Mo1
(((ping))))


62 posted on 05/30/2002 6:08:56 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Dog; ex con; sarcasm
Look can you just can the slurs....this goes beyond politics.

Unless I'm mistaken, it went all the way to sarcasm.




63 posted on 05/30/2002 6:11:42 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: angkor
They're not interested in the freebies.

And if they're from the Middle East, it's doubtful the hard-work they claimed to be doing was hard work at all. You don't see many Arabs out in the fields picking chiles at 5am. I'd be against hauling farm-workers out of the fields but any illegals carrying false papers taking jobs that Americans will do should be immediately deported after being charged with a felony crime for those false papers so they'll be permanently barred from reentering the US.

64 posted on 05/30/2002 6:13:30 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Sabertooth, All
You know what is really disappointing. There are more posts, comments on numerous threads about a dead woman who slept with a politician than items like this that put OUR lives at risk. I guess I am just tilting at windmills.
65 posted on 05/30/2002 6:13:39 AM PDT by Wurlitzer
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To: kattracks
IMHO Commissioner Kelly ought to have made some preparations for just such a scenario.

After all, if the INS could close for the 'holiday' he could have found a way to hold these men until Tuesday morning. Not as if anyone was going to come looking for them.

We need to make a lot of noise about the ineptness of the INS and the need to have a holding facility for criminals like these when the INS is off duty.

G-D HELP US!

66 posted on 05/30/2002 6:14:33 AM PDT by OldFriend
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To: Puddleglum
"Is there someone in the administration or Congress who might actually help us get something done? "

Not likely! Only if it can get them re-elected will they pursue this.

67 posted on 05/30/2002 6:16:33 AM PDT by Wurlitzer
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To: OldFriend
Why can't we hold illegals until they're deported? Why did the cops have to cut them loose in the first place? No room at the inn?????
68 posted on 05/30/2002 6:16:40 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Wurlitzer
You know what is really disappointing. There are more posts, comments on numerous threads about a dead woman who slept with a politician than items like this that put OUR lives at risk. I guess I am just tilting at windmills.

Take heart. There are more Illegals threads than there are Chandra threads, and they'll be here long after that poor girl's case is put to rest. You add up the total numbers of posts on the subjects, and you might be sruprised.

I see new posters on these threads all the time. This issue is boiling.




69 posted on 05/30/2002 6:18:20 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: kattracks
A google search of the address stenciled on the van's side--1006 Coney Island--turns up not Gill Waterproofing, to which the truck was registered, but Syed Professional Services (www.syedpro.com), a one-stop immigration service for all your documentation needs.

Gill Waterproofing shows up at 314 E. 16th St., several blocks away.

Pakistanis carrying fraudulent documentation, riding in a van registered to a construction company but bearing the address of an "immigration service" does not interest the INS. Fortunately, local LEO seems to be interested.

71 posted on 05/30/2002 6:19:45 AM PDT by Eroteme
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To: FITZ; All
Apparently then presenting phony ID's is only a felony if an American citizen does it.

From the best of my understanding, it's only if a U.S. citizen does.

The Constitution gives the federal government the power ONLY to secure the borders.

It does not, however, have juristiction over individuals inside the states themselves.

Illegals KNOW the feds cannnot touch them because they aren't U.S. citizens.

Folks born in America are supposed to be American Nationals, but when we get Social (in)Security numbers, we 'voluntarily' put ourselves in the federal juristiction and become U.S. citizens.

Then we fall under not only civil law but statutory law as well, and the government can do pretty much as it d*mn well pleases.

72 posted on 05/30/2002 6:19:58 AM PDT by MamaTexan
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To: Wurlitzer,All
I just called and e-mailed the President, vice president and my senators saying I am LIVID about the ineptness of our government and want the war to get tougher NOW before our Country falls.

Will everyone call & e-mail our government and demand reform with me...???????

73 posted on 05/30/2002 6:22:38 AM PDT by LiveFreeOrDie2001
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To: Wurlitzer
Well, not to digress, but since we are at war and the politician in question sits on the House Intelligence Committee, I'd say it's germaine, even if most of those threads don't make much of the national security angle.

Not all threats to this country come from illegal aliens.

74 posted on 05/30/2002 6:23:52 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: LiveFreeOrDie2001
"Will everyone call & e-mail our government and demand reform with me...???????"

BTTT

Come on folks this is more important than the C.L. case.

75 posted on 05/30/2002 6:24:46 AM PDT by Wurlitzer
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To: Puddleglum
Is there someone in the administration or Congress who might actually help us get something done?

Tancredo is the only Congressman who seems to get it.

My experience with my own Senators and Congressman is that:

(a) They know the INS is a nightmare. Everyone on Capitol Hill knows it, since the INS generates more consitutent complaints than all other federal agencies put together.

(b) If they admit to the problem, they'll cite the mystical belief that "splitting the agency in two" is the solution. When you press the issue, asking what specific problem this would solve, you'll hear dead silence. They don't know what the problem is, or what problem "splitting INS in two" might remedy.

(c) When you insist that illegal immigration is a problem, you will hear a long sigh, and variants of the phrase "Yes, we know, the INS is an 'agency in crisis'. We can't fix the problem until it's split in two" (see B, above).

(d) When you ask how the INS is dealing with illegal alien terrorists, you will hear about the December, 2001 agreement to put 320,000 "absconders" into the NCIC database, which is used by local law enforcement. When you look at the actual record, you'll see that this hasn't yet happened, SIX MONTHS after the announcement by Ashcroft and Ziglar.

(e) When you ask why GWB keeps pushing 245(i) amnesties, you will hear a great deal of hemming and hawing, and then the admission that "We don't know. It is very curious."

Unfortunately, virtually everyone on Capitol Hill is burying their head in the sand. The Democrats like the prospect of more illegal votes. The Republicans don't want to cross GWB.

76 posted on 05/30/2002 6:29:12 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Tuor
And the Senate voted to declare war, when...?

The enemy votes to declare war, not the Senate.

77 posted on 05/30/2002 6:29:15 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Keith in Iowa
This is the whole problem with D.C., and ALL it's agencies, government employees don't have to worry about behaving any more responsibly than the irresponsible politicians in government.

They cannot be fired without an expensive, convoluted, lengthy ordeal, they can only be demoted or shuffled around. The Fed is the largest employer in America, perhaps in the world, many of the jobs are "make work" positions or disguised welfare.

I suspect that most of the employees are overly represented by democrats that look on any new administration as a temporary inconvienence to be stymied at every turn until it moves on. A happy Liberal 20 year employee of the federal monster will joyfully implement any liberal policy, but when faced with a new boss with a Republican agenda, will throw road blocks up to see that agenda is just never implemented or implemented correctly. Look at what Rumsfield faced at the State Dept. Look at the mess gone through just to get one agency to share info with another, and even though now they are making noises as though it is a done deal, you have to wonder how many years will go by before, if, it ever functions properly.

This is a rat's nest that needs to be addressed if there is ever to be any real change in D.C., personally I never see this happening, D.C. is corrupt far beyond repair, the States need to step up to the plate and take their power back from D.C.

78 posted on 05/30/2002 6:30:00 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: angkor
Whenever I read about the INS mess, I begin to remember why I liked Pat Buchanan...
79 posted on 05/30/2002 6:33:13 AM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: OldFriend
the need to have a holding facility for criminals like these when the INS is off duty.

When the INS is "on duty" they simply let 'em walk.

"Please show up at the airport next week for your deportation."

That's why there are 320,000 absconders still in the United States.

80 posted on 05/30/2002 6:33:28 AM PDT by angkor
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