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To: JohnHuang2
"Border defense needs to be closely coordinated, and overseen by responsible officials with both the resources and the commitment to do their jobs."

Lets be real.. True border control would require at least 500,000 to maybe 1,000,000 border agents. The cost of doing this would be crazy so what do we do. We here control the borders, control the borders but nothing about the dollars it would take to really make it happen. You say use the military like O'Rielly keeps harping on but the numbers are the same so we'd need half a million more military troops with probably 150 Billion dollars added to the defense budget?

6 posted on 04/18/2002 11:45:50 PM PDT by america-rules
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To: america-rules
Sounds like the Michael Medved "Just give up, it can't be done" line.
9 posted on 04/19/2002 12:01:15 AM PDT by Pelham
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To: america-rules; Victoria Delsoul; Pelham; Travis McGee; Joe Hadenuf; sarcasm; harpseal...
Lets be real.. True border control would require at least 500,000 to maybe 1,000,000 border agents. The cost of doing this would be crazy so what do we do? We hear control the borders, control the borders but nothing about the dollars it would take to really make it happen.

Listen again...

They Will
Deport Themsleves


1. Make the Illegals and their Co-conspirators, their employers, pay for the necessary expenditures through Total Asset Forfeiture. Seize businesses that knowingly hire Illegals, and auction them off. Proceeds go to enforcement against Illegals in the American Interior.

2. You want manpower? After 9/11, many Americans were looking for ways to volunteer... How about creating a Border Patrol Reserve. A lot of patriotic, over-40 types woul be only too happy to serve

3. We need to make up our minds to win the War against Illegals before the shooting starts in earnest. The same snivelers saying we can't win against Illegals once said we couldn't win against Terror.

We're America, and we can win any war we want to win. Get used to it.




12 posted on 04/19/2002 7:14:48 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: america-rules
"You say use the military like O'Rielly keeps harping on but the numbers are the same so we'd need half a million more military troops with probably 150 Billion dollars added to the defense budget?"

Gee, that sure sounds like a lot.

As a cost-saving measure, we could use minefields.

17 posted on 04/19/2002 8:02:51 AM PDT by Tauzero
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To: america-rules
We wouldn't need to control the border if companies would actually be investigated and prosecuted for hiring illegal immigrants. For instance, Tyson Foods was indicted for atively seeking Mexicans to come to the US illegally and work in Tyson plants. If such activity is provable, Tyson should have to re-establish the citizenship or immigration status of every one of its workers. But will the government make Tyson do so? Hardly! Immigration is a joke because there are too many open-border globalists who think everyone should have the right to live in a welfare state America.
22 posted on 04/19/2002 8:09:22 AM PDT by Egg
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To: america-rules
It's ridiculous spending any money on the WOD as long as the borders are wide open because Mexico uses illegals and legals to bring the drugs over. End the WOD and use that money to seal up the borders.
23 posted on 04/19/2002 8:09:53 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: america-rules
Punish, fine and jail employers that employ illegal immigrants and the problem will go away in the blink of an eye.
24 posted on 04/19/2002 8:12:38 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: america-rules
You say use the military like O'Rielly keeps harping on but the numbers are the same so we'd need half a million more military troops with probably 150 Billion dollars added to the defense budget?

There's more than one way to get rid of the problem. It seems to be working OK in Afghanistan. Remember, this invasion is deliberate. Perhaps you missed the venom the Marxist Mexican foreign minister has been spewing in California.

25 posted on 04/19/2002 8:13:33 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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To: america-rules
For $6 billion, we can build a 30-foot high, steel-reinforced concrete wall the entire 2,000-mile-length of the U.S./Mexico border. We wouldn't need a massive army for patrolling the border if we had a physical barrier. It is the same principle of a security fence around a factory with a few guards monitoring video cameras and other devices.

Fences and walls are as old as mankind and billions are still spent to build them because THEY WORK!

We don't have to re-invent the wheel here. We just have to use some common sense and acknowledge the overwhelming demand from the American people to stop illegal immigration into our country.

27 posted on 04/19/2002 8:22:28 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: america-rules
Any price-ANY-is worth paying in order to protect our nation. Bitching about dollars today will look pretty stupid in 50 yrs when our country has been changed from the great place that it is to a 3rd world toliet.
28 posted on 04/19/2002 8:24:45 AM PDT by bullmoose
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To: america-rules
You say use the military like O'Rielly keeps harping on but the numbers are the same so we'd need half a million more military troops with probably 150 Billion dollars added to the defense budget?

It's worth the cost to stop terrorist from sneaking nuclear wepons into our country. If you don't think it's worth the cost, then may your city be the first one hit.

31 posted on 04/19/2002 8:36:35 AM PDT by RickyJ
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To: america-rules;Sabertooth
Lets be real.. True border control would require at least 500,000 to maybe 1,000,000 border agents. The cost of doing this would be crazy so what do we do. We here control the borders, control the borders but nothing about the dollars it would take to really make it happen. You say use the military like O'Rielly keeps harping on but the numbers are the same so we'd need half a million more military troops with probably 150 Billion dollars added to the defense budget?

For those of you that are interested, I have summarized some of the policies and regulations concerning the US Border Patrol in El Centro , CA.

1. Agents are not allowed to chase loaded vehicles that break traffic laws.(ex. Going 1 mile over the speed limit.)
2. Agents are not allowed to chase vehicles into residencial areas.
3. Agents are not allowed to chase illegal aliens if they make it a mile north of the border wihtout a supervisors permission.
4. Agents are not allowed to patrol large swathes of American soil due to the potential of violent assaults by the aliens.
6. Agents are required to give juice and crackers to the aliens.
7. Agents on stationary positions known as "X's" are not allowed to move from their position to chase aliens.
Apparently the Border Patrol has gone from a policy of law enforcement to a policy of appeasement. You would think, given the circumstances, that USBP policies would be the opposite

.HERE

This is how the Border Patrol runs under Bush..There is NO effort to protect our borders..we pay a fortune for make believe cops that are littler more than a welcoming party for illegals

"Provide for the common defense"..UMMMMMM seems to me that would mean a constitutional demand to protect our border..

76 posted on 04/19/2002 11:56:15 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: america-rules
We can start by allowing land owners on the border to shoot to kill....on sight. No questions asked. You see 'em, you blast 'em. The INS can haul the carcasses away.
118 posted on 04/19/2002 5:58:29 PM PDT by Thumper1960
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To: america-rules
True border control would require at least 500,000 to maybe 1,000,000 border agents.

Where did you get these figures?

164 posted on 07/19/2002 2:48:48 AM PDT by pariah
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