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Univision will air a show tonight called "The American Dream - Tested"
Bothersome indeed, let’s remember that these people are only criminals in the sense that they’ve broken a law.
" technically it is possible to define the undocumented as criminals."
Bravo to you Tom Ridge! Why should we expect you to uphold the laws of our country and secure our borders? No, not when political correctness states that we should not criticize the dusky hued.
I can’t help but see two problems here with a mutual solution: We have several million jobs for unskilled workers that must be filled, we also have several million people who’s “careers” consist of watching 18 hours a day of television, having children by the bushel-full, and collecting welfare. The only obstacles to placing the career welfare recipients in a job cleaning grease-traps at a taco stand or picking tomatoes in a field is that they’re lazy and need to be relocated.
Cut off the welfare and those two obstacles will take care of themselves.
Owl_Eagle
”Guns Before Butter.”
They are not "undocumented immigrants". They are illegal aliens. All of them are criminals by definition. Jorge Ramos ought to be deported.
The arrogance of this Mexican cabal like fox and castenada is superseded only by the cowardice of Bush, Congress and the INS.
I don't give a flying flip how "good workers" they are--ILLEGAL ALIENS are CRIMINALS--stealing directly from American citizens and LEGAL immigrants by taking away jobs, and indirectly by sucking up tax money to provide "welfare" goods and services (such as hospital emergency care).
But they are such nice, hard-working counterfeiters. As long as they mean well, should counterfeiting really be considered a crime?
Of course, there is nothing self-serving about that statement.
It is meant to convey the notion that all these ignorant immigrants are doing us a favor.
Of course, rational people appreciate favors.
In this case however, in order to make things crystal clear, let me respond by saying...
The thought is appreciated, and surely we know that you are doing it for our benefitn but.
WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' FAVORS!
Tired & Poor: The Bankrupt Arguments for Mass, Unskilled Immigration by Steven A. Camarota, National Review, September 3, 2001 which has the following interesting statistic:
"We at the Center for Immigration Studies estimate that the average Mexican immigrant will use $55,200 more in public services during his lifetime than he pays in taxes."
OR the following study:
The Impact of New Americans: A Review and Analysis of the National Research Council's The New Americans: Economic, Demographic, and Fiscal Effects of Immigrationby Steven A. Camarota and Leon Bouvier Center for Immigration Studies Report, December1999, which has, among others, the following interesting facts:
"In California and New Jersey, the average immigrant-headed household currently uses $3,463 and $1,484 more, respectively, in services provided by state and local government than it pays in taxes. This translates into an added tax burden of $1,178 imposed on each native household in California and $232 in New Jersey (Table 3 on page 7)" AND
"Immigration was responsible for 44 percent of the decline in relative wages (com- pared to other workers) for high school dropouts from 1980 to 1994."
OR the following study:
Immigration from Mexico - Study Examines Costs and Benefits for the United States which notes the following:
"....reduction in wages for the unskilled has likely reduced prices for consumers by only an estimated .08 to .2 percent in the 1990s. The impact is so small because unskilled labor accounts for only a tiny fraction of total economic output."
Ramos goes on the talk show circuit and puts out all his disinformation without any challenges. I am really tired of all his claims. Give me back my tax money that goes to illegals & I'll pay the extra nickle for my carrots.
I notice that the article said that this money was contributed to the North American economy and not to the American economy, meaning that most of the money was mailed to relatives in Mexico by the illegal aliens. This isn't helping the economy of the United States very much.
How do they do that? How does one that does not have documents (no SSN, no green card i.e. un-documented) pay taxes. Oh, I forgot that they like to donate to our nat'l debt by way of annon. contribution. They just figure out, at the end of the year, how much they made (illegally) and send 20% to the gubment?
Or are their employers paying it for them? Yah, I've got 20 immigrants working for me and I pay them 1.50 a day. I'm defiantely going to make sure and file those W-2 forms on them.
I'm sure, what a crock of BS.
EBUCK
Put ME in charge for a year and I'll show you how.
Believe me, it would be over.
--Boris
Bump!!
There is not the smallest doubt that these immigrants contribute enormously to North American economy -10 billion dollars a year, according to the Academy of Sciences of United States and to the immigrants’ countries of origin.
There is no "North American economy." The writer is using rhetorical sleight of hand, to distract the reader from the fact that illegal immigrants are taking from the American economy, and enriching the Mexican economy. He is also ignoring the fact that the illegals cost the American economy billions annually in unpaid health and educational costs.
For example, the Mexicans who live in this country send more than 8 billion dollars annually in remittances to families in Mexico; this is the third foreign currency source for the country after the tourism and petroleum.
Well, bully for Mexico!
The undocumented immigrants in the United States - 8 million, according to the National Office of the Census- pay taxes, keep inflation under control, are a cheap source of manual labor for agriculture and the service sector, and sustain economically a population that is aging very fast.¨
In other words, the immigrants are a magnificent business for the United States and Latin America. But what is bothersome is that many North Americans continue considering them criminals.
The SOB won't show us the respect of calling us "Americans." But if someone said to him, "So, Mexicans consider illegals criminals?" he'd blow his top. Mexicans are just as much North Americans as are Canadians and Americans, but he's playing word games. (I know what he'd say, "But Latins are also 'Americans.'" Right. I have yet to hear a Latin introduce himself as an "American." They only play that "We're Americans, too," crap, when they want to insult Americans.)
Note that Vincente Fox, for whom illegal Mexicans in America are heroes, ruthlessly stamps out illegal immigration INTO Mexico.
If they are not so limited in their comprehension, as that would imply, they have chosen to deliberately put their perception of their own self-interest over the legal rights of the American people.
Whether their lack is of intelligence or morality, no long term good can be expected from allowing them to remain. Those who for the sake of cheap labor--for a perceived advantage of the moment on this side of the border--would rationalize amnesty, are sewing the seeds for a future disaster. A nation is not a game of musical chairs. And this attempt to justify the present chaos is terribly misguided.
For a serious look at the whole question of future immigration, see Immigration & The American Future.
William Flax
Once and for all I'd like to see the IRS do some sorting and indexing and issue an authentic report on how much tax illegal aliens actually pay.
The report should be offset by all EITC pay outs under bogus Social Security numbers and the special Taxpayer ID numbers (TINs) developed especially for the illegals who want to file and pay taxes, or get checks for free tax credits.
They pay taxes?? Sure they do...hahahahaha.... This is one IRS report you'll never see.
This story does not suprise me. When our own law enforcement threatens the citizenry with arrest for protecting his own family, what do we expect? I detained 26 illegal aliens, along with a friend, I was told I violated the civil rights of these illegal aliens and was being sued. I was also threatened with arrest.
So, you all talk and gripe and complain. Im still down here on the border actually fighting, possibly, the American Govt! Go figger.
John Petrello. more here.