Now That Bush Has Sold Us Out... What are we going to do about it? (vanity)

[Michael2001]

Well I'm mad and I'm angry, and maybe that's why I can't think of an appropriate response. While all of us were prasing him for how he was dealing with the war on terror, Bush passes this Amnesty Bill, something that not even the sneaky Bill Clinton would do. This is one of the worse Bills to pass through Congress, it will hurt us in many ways, and ten years from now we will still be feeling it's effects.

Bush has, without a doubt in my mind, sold us out for the Hispanic vote. He sold us out because he can take our vote for granted (who will we vote for Al Gore?). Is he wrong? What do we do when the Republicans stop looking out for our interests? Is it time for a new party, or do we work within the party and try to root out the Republicans In Name Only (of which there are many)?

[Joe Hadenuf]

No not entirely.

My point was, is that Clinton didn't even suggest, let alone grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens.

[Amerigomag]

I'm not about to help re-elect Clinton/Gore

I don't think the forum majority is suggesting this either.

I do think that many are suggesting that we replace 43 at the head of the ticket in 2004.

As I suggested to you last evening; we both live in the same town and we've both seen what unregulated, unfettered, quasi encouraged, massive, illegal immigration has done to our city in the last twenty years.

[Deb]

Is Lenora Fulani still on your team? There's a true (cough) conservative.

[Bump in the night]

Hey! Your breaks over! Get back to work! :P hehehehe

[lonestar]

I've been down Third Party Road.

[ThreeYearLurker]

Who is your choice, Taft?

[Constitutional_Republican]

"That's just about the dumbest thing I've ever seen posted..." I hope you realize it was sarcasm. Let me say it another way. We may pay more for food. But I think what we save there is fastly overwhelmed with the additional taxpayer-funded services for illegal aliens. It has rippled into hospital costs and in a lot of other areas. Secondly, it is a slap in the face of those people who have followed to rules to immigrate here legally. Also, it was only done with a heavy dose of arm-twisting by President Bush. I think he wants it to offer as a gift to President Fox at their meeting on the 22nd. He seems so reluctant to use his political capital on other worthy issues, but he uses it on this issue. It frustrates me because I think he is a good man and has done so many things well.

[dixiechick2000]

" This is his baby thru and thru."

Yes, it is...and I'm not happy one bit about it.
All that I was suggesting is that he and his advisors are not stupid. There may be more to this than we know (like troops on the borders). For the life of me, I can't figure out why Armey and DeLay would vote for this as it is.
While I have been a Bush supporter, I'm NOT a kool-aid drinker. I'm not ready to hang him just yet.

[FITZ]

There are so many here, we don't even know who, where, or how to find them. They have been here for years, and have families here. INS is in such a mess, there is no way to locate them. Let them stay, overhaul INS & immigration laws.

I can even see letting them stay ---- and stay illegal which is the choice they themselves made in the first place. Making them legal qualifies them for welfare, food stamps and all sorts of government handout programs if they decide working for low wages is no longer their cup of tea -----which is exactly what many will decide. I see no reason to hand them rights when they already had the right to apply for legal immigration just like all the legal immigrants have done.

What amnesty does is makes them our permanent responsibility, they cannot be deported in the future no matter what they do. And it invites many more to follow in their stepfoots expecting the same to be done for them in some near future.

[EBUCK]

Well said. Oh, and my dog thanks you too, he just got kicked in the name of "overwhelming need to project my complete and utter disgust with our govt onto something"

(just kidding, I don't even have a dog, really I don't)

EBUCK

[Constitutional_Republican]

I hope you are right and there is a strategy at work that makes it okay in the end.

[oldtimer]

The problem is that they are already here and they are already voting as a bloc, they own Kalifornistan and probably New Mexico. Arizona? In Texas things are getting dicey.

The rats have sabotaged voter registration over the years, and we are in very deep clinton. Voter fraud is doing incalculable damage to what our Country was meant to be as a Constitutional Republic.

My message is that if we don't get alot more responsible Hispanics into the Republican party, the Republican party will have fallen onto it's sword.

[EBUCK]

See post #70 for directions to the White House.

EBUCK

[Darth Sidious]

With all due respect JimRob: the Republicans (with FEW exceptions, Ron Paul and Bob Barr coming to mind) are as Constitutionally bankrupt as their Democratic counterparts. At this stage in the game the Pubbies can't possibly live on conservative principles. Traditional conservatism is about empowering the individual... while the sad fact of the matter is both major parties exist for collective might. The fastest, dirtiest way to that is, empowering the government more and more. Trusting the individual is now a sign of weakness for them. In short: the Republican party has fought long and hard enough, that it's forgotten WHAT it's supposed to be fighting about!

Say it all day long, but I think you guys had better come up with a better plan than "kick em in the ass and let the democrats have it."

Kick BOTH parties in the ass! That's even better :-)

[Joe Hadenuf]

I must say, the economy was better in the last eight years, we didn't have religious freaks slamming our planes into skyscrapers killing thousands, and even Clinton didn't even suggest, let alone grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens.

Hah! Right. Now I'm with you. Vote for Hillary to continue the Clinton era of prosperity.

These are facts. Clinton had nothing to do with the economy, *but it was better*, and Clinton didn't grant amnesty to millions of criminal illegal aliens, like apparently President Bush is getting ready to do.

[uncbob]

I must say, the economy was better in the last eight years, we didn't have religious freaks slamming our planes into skyscrapers killing thousands, and even Clinton didn't even suggest, let alone grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens.

Hey Dumbass
You remember the bomb in the WTC the one that if it would have worked right would have killed tens of thousands and the bombing of the Cole, and Somolia and our embassy in Africa, and the Balkan war and the recession ( which is a very minor one ) started under Clinton

[Jim Robinson]

Ok. You've convinced me. Vote for Hillary.

[AAABEST]

Bush is the most conservative president ever, (yes, more so than Reagan) ....
....let the REAL conservatives like Bush do their jobs.

Is this the most factually vacant and incorrect statement I have read in my four years on this forum. Believe me, I've seen some doozies too. At first I thought you were kidding, but I read your post 3 times and realized that you actually believe your own delusional drivel.

Don't bother responding, because I don't debate those I consider "gone".

[fellowpatriot]

My point was, is that Clinton didn't even suggest, let alone grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens.

I wonder how many of these 'illegals' are here today because of what clinton/gore did prior to the '96 election?