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UNLIMITED FORCED DRUGGING OK D BY COURT
AAPS ^ | 3/8/02 | AAPS

Posted on 03/11/2002 7:41:50 PM PST by Beata

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UNLIMITED FORCED DRUGGING OK’D BY COURT
AAPS Calls Ruling "Shocking & Inhumane"

03/08/2002

WASHINGTON -- Defendants can be forcibly drugged even though they haven’t been convicted of any charges and pose no danger to themselves or others. 

That’s the ruling issued yesterday by the Federal Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit in the case of United States v. Charles Thomas Sell. (see www.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/02/03/011862P.pdf) The 2 - 1 split decision establishes government power to forcibly medicate a person with mind altering drugs even before trial. 

"It’s a shocking, inhumane decision. Now, all the government needs are allegations and a cooperative psychiatrist to forcibly drug any citizen," said Andrew Schlafly, General Counsel for the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS). That group filed an amicus brief opposing the government drugging. 

"It’s unprecedented to allow prosecutors to drug peaceful defendants presumed to be innocent. Government cannot force citizens to pledge allegiance to the flag, but now can forcibly medicate them with mind-altering drugs," said Mr. Schlafly. 

Dr. Sell, a St. Louis dentist, has been imprisoned for more than 4 years, including one- and-one-half years in solitary confinementafter being charged with Medicaid fraud. He has never been brought to trial. 

While acknowledging that "the evidence does not support a finding that Sell posed a danger to himself or others" the majority opinion still found that "charges of fraud" alone are "serious" enough to justify forced medication. Further, the Court held that there are no limits on the quantity or type of drugs. 

"There’s no good reason why Dr. Sell has been held so long without trial, and this decision will most likely prolong his imprisonment with no end in sight," said Mr. Schlafly. The dissenting judge pointed out that even if Dr. Sell were to be found guilty, his sentence would be no more than 41 months -- one year less than he’s already served. 

A similar case is pending before the same court to allow the State to forcibly medicate a convicted murderer for execution. 

"It’s appalling that the court will drug a man presumed to be innocent, even if it’s illegal to do the same thing to a convicted killer." Mr. Schlafly said that AAPS will seek to overturn the ruling. 

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AAPS is a non-partisan, dues-supported professional association of physicians in all practices and specialties, dedicated since 1943 to protecting the sanctity of the patient-physician relationship from third-party interference. 

Other Links
AAPS Amicus Brief in US vs. Sell 
Doctors' Study: Medicare "Fraud" Crackdown Hurts Patients - 02/04/2000 
Other Physician Prosecutions


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To: Beata
He hasn't confessed yet? Change the meds....we have ways...
21 posted on 03/12/2002 7:56:47 AM PST by eniapmot
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To: boston_liberty
for the sole purpose of rendering him competent for trial.

Does this mean drug the defendant to where he will plead GUILTY???

23 posted on 03/12/2002 8:03:53 AM PST by B4Ranch
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To: Liberal Bob
The government also alleges that Sell plotted to kill the African-American FBI agent who had arrested him.

Uh oh, sounds like a hate criminal to me. Double the meds.

24 posted on 03/12/2002 8:04:20 AM PST by eniapmot
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To: B4Ranch
Why, just think how efficient that will be.
25 posted on 03/12/2002 8:05:14 AM PST by eniapmot
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To: Reactionary
"...(ii) Dr. Sell thought there was a government effort to cover up defendant’s knowledge of the government’s culpability in the Waco deaths, where defendant was summoned to serve at that time as an Army Reservist; and..."

It's clear to me. It's not crazy to believe that Clintoon and co. were criminals. That's just a partisan VRWC. What is evidence of insanity is knowledge of Clinton's criminality. Drugs and prison, eh? Guess it beats an Arkansas dirt-nap. Vince? Ron? Whadda ya think?

26 posted on 03/12/2002 8:13:18 AM PST by TigersEye
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To: Beata
This article is missing a lot of important info. People with certain mental illness need 'mind-altering' drugs to function as a normal person because their mind is so messed up without them, and I think it a requirement of justice that such a person be medicated to normalcy for their trial (or as close to normal as the medicine will get them). It's not the same thing at all as pumping a mentaly fit person full of LSD or something.

The fact that the article avoids saying what medicine, why and in what circumstances (creating the impression that the judge said any drug, to any suspect, anytime for any reason) leads me to think that they are deliberatly trying to mislead.

27 posted on 03/12/2002 8:15:18 AM PST by Grig
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To: Beata
By decree of law you cannot choose to consume mind altering drugs prohibited by the government and cannot refuse to consume mind altering drugs mandated by the government. Land of the free?
28 posted on 03/12/2002 8:21:51 AM PST by NC_Libertarian
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To: Grig
It's not the same thing at all as pumping a mentaly fit person full of LSD or something.

It sure as heck isn't! I'd take 10,000 mikes of acid any day before I'd put a single pill of Zoloft or Welbutrin in me. At least I'd still know my name and how to work the remote on the TV.

29 posted on 03/12/2002 8:25:06 AM PST by TigersEye
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To: MissAmericanPie
What about the 5th amendment? Is this for real?

I agree, this is a little bit strange.

Its my understanding that under Reagan the health care system was amended to stop this kind of thing from happening. Has some constitutional implications to it as well, its definitely a little on the weird side.

30 posted on 03/12/2002 8:29:00 AM PST by cascademountaineer
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To: Beata;zog
If this does not wake a few people up then all hope is lost.
31 posted on 03/12/2002 8:42:36 AM PST by Revel
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To: Beata
forced medication for fraud? lets see 'em medicate jesse jackson and ken lay.
32 posted on 03/12/2002 9:03:18 AM PST by isom35
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To: Revel
Given all of the comparisons to the old Soviet system compared to the cold war USA, and then looking at Russia and the USA today, it is almost as if our nations have transposed their values completely. In Russia, there is now complete private ownership of the land (except for military training areas etc.), they have a flat tax of 13% regardless of income, their judiciary routinely reverses decisions made by the Duma or the executive branch, and even their President continually refers to the fact that they are a Constitutional Republic in both law and in deed.

When was the last time any of these events were common here? I don't know if we can ever undo the damage done by Clinton et al.

33 posted on 03/12/2002 9:04:27 AM PST by 11B3
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To: MissAmericanPie
This goes hand-in-hand with the "Medical Privacy Act" that Clinton pushed, and Bush signed into law around June of 2001. MANY physicians groups were outraged by the content of this bill. But it is now law.

Kinda like the PATRIOTACT for you medical privacy. ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS SHOULD GET TO KNOW THIS LEGISLATION.

Although this bill was named to project the image that it protects citizens medical privacy, IT in fact does just the opposite. It puts your medical care directly in the hands of the US goverment, by force, and by fines on your Physicians of up to $50,000(?) and prison time. (If your doctor refuses to submit ALL patients records/including your and mine, off to jail he goes).

Once the feds have your records, they are allowed to distribute them to insurance agencies, police agencies, and even foriegn organizations. (No Sh!t). The part where it relates to this case is near the end of the Bill, where basically says THEY CAN DENY CITIZENS ACCESS TO THEIR OWN RECORDS SHOULD THEY DETERMINE SUCH CITIZEN "MEDICALLY INCOMPETENT".

I sent several mailings to my congress critters, to no avail. I believe it passed by a show of hands. (Cowards). THIS BILL IS OUTRAGEOUS. AGAIN, ALL AMERICAN CITZENS SHOULD GET TO KNOW THIS LEGISLATION.

34 posted on 03/12/2002 9:23:37 AM PST by Sequitur
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To: Beata
BTTT
35 posted on 03/12/2002 9:24:37 AM PST by Sequitur
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To: Beata
Oh, how terrible!

How we would miss the local color added by the folks walking around downtown shouting at traffic, urinating against buildings and running over children with their shopping carts!

36 posted on 03/12/2002 9:33:35 AM PST by Illbay
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To: Beata
Psychiatry is simply a tool used by the govenrnment to get rid of anyone it wishes. This decision should surprise no one.
37 posted on 03/12/2002 9:34:18 AM PST by Seruzawa
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To: Sequitur
AAPS: It's Time to Draw the Line in the Sand on Medical Privacy

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AAPS: It's Time to Draw the Line in the Sand on Medical Privacy
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Readers of NewsMax.com are now aware that the federal government was scheduled to implement, on Feb. 26, medical privacy regulations left over from the Clinton administration that would have given the government agency HHS unprecedented access to information contained in personal medical records.

Fortunately, the date was postponed when a groundswell of opposition developed as a result of a Feb. 22 press release issued by the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS).

The AAPS warned that although the regulations are shrouded in language to make it appear they are protecting "medical privacy," they are in fact an attempt eliminate the privacy of your medical records.

The alert was so effective that it jammed the e-mail system at the Department of Health and Human Services.

The AAPS press release pointed out that even though problems exist with specific provisions in the regulations, the bottom line is that this is such a bad set of regulations that they must be completely discarded.

The Bush administration and HHS should scrap them.

Dr. Jane Orient, AAPS executive director, stated, "The draft rule [Federal Register for 12/28/00, pp. 82829-82462] of the regulation is so flawed in concept and execution that a total new beginning is needed."

This 1,500-page document, enacted to fulfill part of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996, was a direct result of the Clinton view that the government should control every aspect of U.S. medical care.

Thus, the regulations, touted as protecting patient privacy, would actually compromise your privacy.

Moreover, they are so confusing that no one knows what the ultimate results would be.

Final decisions, then, would be handed off to the Office of Civil Rights. So whatever the lawyers in that office decree as a citizen's right to medical privacy would be the final word. Your privacy would be at risk. You have until March 30 – the date of the end of the official comment period – to let HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson and your elected senators and representatives know your concerns.

Thompson plans to give a decision by April 14, and of course, you are free to express your opinion about the rules to him and Congress until that date and after. It's imperative you speak out.

What could the regulations entail?

Kathryn Serkes, AAPS public relations counsel, has pointed out:

  • The rules create a massive federal mandate that requires every doctor to share patients’ records with the federal government, without patient consent.

  • Patients may have no guarantee of recourse for breaches of medical privacy other than the right to complain.

  • The regulations may prevent doctors from informing parents of the specifics of their child’s medical condition.

  • Patients may be refused medical treatment if they won’t give consent to health care providers to divulge their medical records to any parties.

Moreover, as pointed out by Drs. Michael Glueck and Robert Cihak (who happens to be the current president of the AAPS) in their online news column of March 19:

  • The regulations will apply to all individuals regardless of whether their health care is paid for by them or by the government.

  • Under the proposed regulations, the government, not you, will decide who has access to your medical records.

  • And it is the government that can look into your electronic medical records – including genetic information – without getting your OK.

Glueck and Cihak add: "The regulations would also make it easier for government bureaucrats to look into your medical records, again without your permission. In fact, any government agent claiming a 'national priority purpose' can poke around in your most private medical details. In many cases, the government can then release your personal medical information from government files, without anybody having to ask you for permission." This is frightening.

Furthermore, Andrew L. Schlafly, Esq., AAPS general counsel, has also expressed concerns that:

  • The new rules operate to limit a patient's access to his own records, state laws notwithstanding, while giving the government unfettered access.

  • The new rules allow state governments to effectively eviscerate the protections by compiling and distributing records, as Texas is considering doing now with respect to a new vaccine registry.

  • HHS can disclose personal medical information, if required by any other law. Instead, other laws should be pre-empted by the privacy rule.

  • Medical researchers can withhold records from subjects who agree to be tested with new drugs and treatments. Is this designed to conceal trial failures?
To maintain control of your own private medical information, AAPS suggests that:

1. The government protect, not eliminate, your right to require your consent before your personal medical information can be given out;

2. You should not be forced to accept a "unique health identifier" ID number for tagging and tracking your medical records electronically;

3. And, if anyone, including a government official, abuses your privacy and breaks the law, you should have the right to sue that individual and be compensated for invasion of your privacy.

Remember, the clock is ticking.


38 posted on 03/12/2002 9:34:29 AM PST by Sequitur
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To: NC_Libertarian
"Land of the Free?"

Let's hope it's still the 'Home of the Brave'. ;^)

'anti-social elements' bump.

39 posted on 03/12/2002 9:42:08 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: TigersEye
I bet you'd have trouble with the remote after 10,000 mics.
40 posted on 03/12/2002 9:45:45 AM PST by NC_Libertarian
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