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US sends suspects to face torture
The Guardian (U.K.) ^ | 03/12/2002 | Duncan Campbell

Posted on 03/11/2002 6:46:29 PM PST by Pokey78

The US has been secretly sending prisoners suspected of al-Qaida connections to countries where torture during interrogation is legal, according to US diplomatic and intelligence sources. Prisoners moved to such countries as Egypt and Jordan can be subjected to torture and threats to their families to extract information sought by the US in the wake of the September 11 attacks.

The normal extradition procedures have been bypassed in the transportation of dozens of prisoners suspected of terrorist connections, according to a report in the Washington Post. The suspects have been taken to countries where the CIA has close ties with the local intelligence services and where torture is permitted.

According to the report, US intelligence agents have been involved in a number of interrogations. A CIA spokesman yesterday said the agency had no comment on the allegations. A state department spokesman said the US had been "working very closely with other countries - It's a global fight against terrorism".

"After September 11, these sorts of movements have been occurring all the time," a US diplomat told the Washington Post. "It allows us to get information from terrorists in a way we can't do on US soil."

The seizing of suspects and taking them to a third country without due process of law is known as "rendition". The reason for sending a suspect to a third country rather than to the US, according to the diplomats, is an attempt to avoid highly publicised cases that could lead to a further backlash from Islamist extremists.

One of the prisoners transported in this way, Muhammad Saad Iqbal Madni, is allegedly linked to Richard Reid, the Briton accused of the attempted "shoe bomb" attack on an American Airlines flight from Paris to Miami in December. He was taken from Indonesia to Egypt on a US-registered Gulfstream jet without a court hearing after his name appeared on al-Qaida documents. He remains in custody in Egypt and has been subjected to interrogation by intelligence agents.

An Indonesian government official said disclosing the Americans' role would have exposed President Megawati Sukarnoputri to criticism from Muslim political parties. "We can't be seen to be cooperating too closely with the United States," the official said.

A Yemeni microbiology student has also been taken in this way, being flown from Pakistan to Jordan on a US-registered jet. US forces also seized five Algerians and a Yemeni in Bosnia on January 19 and flew them to Guantanamo Bay after the men were released by the Bosnian supreme court for lack of evidence, and despite an injunction from the Bosnian human rights chamber that four of them be allowed to remain in the country pending further proceedings.

The US has been criticised by some of its European allies over the detention of prisoners at Camp X-Ray in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. After the Pentagon released pictures of blindfolded prisoners kneeling on the ground, the defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, was forced to defend the conditions in which they were being held.

Unsuccessful attempts have been made by civil rights lawyers based in Los Angeles to have the Camp X-Ray prisoners either charged in US courts or treated as prisoners of war. The US administration has resisted such moves, arguing that those detained, both Taliban fighters and members of al-Qaida, were not entitled to be regarded as prisoners of war because they were terrorists rather than soldiers and were not part of a recognised, uniformed army.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: espionagelist; terrorwar
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1 posted on 03/11/2002 6:46:30 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Black Jade
fyi
2 posted on 03/11/2002 6:49:56 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: Pokey78
Well I guess ol' Camp X-Ray in Cuba don't look so bad now, huh?
3 posted on 03/11/2002 6:51:08 PM PST by Bubba_Leroy
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To: Pokey78
I guess in the Guardian's view, this is bad.

I would bet that they don't like my suggestion to transfer them naked to an outdoor kennel in Antarctica at all.

4 posted on 03/11/2002 6:52:14 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: *Espionage_list;*TerrorWar
index bump
5 posted on 03/11/2002 6:52:28 PM PST by Fish out of Water
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To: Pokey78
The Hon. Henry Waxman, when asked to comment on these allegations, replied, "So what?"
6 posted on 03/11/2002 6:52:47 PM PST by doc11355
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To: Pokey78
If this is true, the chances of 'winning' the war just got a lot better.
7 posted on 03/11/2002 6:52:58 PM PST by gcruse
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To: Dog Gone
Transport them to Israel and let the Mossad have a go at them.
8 posted on 03/11/2002 6:54:46 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Ciexyz
Transport them to Israel and let the Mossad have a go at them.

If they do, you won't read about it in a leftist British newspaper.

9 posted on 03/11/2002 6:56:03 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Pokey78
Good news. If they are willing to do this, and talk about nukes...then assasination is a viable military-option again. Things are indeed progressing well.
10 posted on 03/11/2002 6:58:32 PM PST by antaresequity
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To: antaresequity
One obvious point missed by this writer is the fact that "US registered jets" WERE ALSO USED TO FLY INTO THE WTC AND THE PENTAGON.
11 posted on 03/11/2002 7:02:38 PM PST by billhilly
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To: Pokey78
I'll think about getting upset after we know that al qaida is gone.
12 posted on 03/11/2002 7:04:29 PM PST by speekinout
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To: Pokey78
Consider the source...NUFF said!
13 posted on 03/11/2002 7:04:46 PM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: Pokey78
Damn good idea!

Perhaps we should send members of the ACLU (and DNC) to those countries so they can lodge a complaint, eh?

14 posted on 03/11/2002 7:05:12 PM PST by Howie66
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To: RoseofTexas
lol, UK guardian,,,,,,,,Alfred E. Newman special
15 posted on 03/11/2002 7:05:48 PM PST by rbmillerjr
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To: Pokey78
US forces also seized five Algerians and a Yemeni in Bosnia on January 19 and flew them to Guantanamo Bay after the men were released by the Bosnian supreme court for lack of evidence, and despite an injunction from the Bosnian human rights chamber that four of them be allowed to remain in the country pending further proceedings.

thats curious. we detain people in bosnia?

16 posted on 03/11/2002 7:07:50 PM PST by gfactor
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To: Pokey78
My God,this is outrageous!

Why did it take so long?

17 posted on 03/11/2002 7:13:38 PM PST by mdittmar
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To: Pokey78
Sheesh....those Brits.....they just whine all the time....where's their cheese? Maybe we should send all the Al Quaid and Taliban to Heathrow?
18 posted on 03/11/2002 7:16:52 PM PST by goodnesswins
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To: Pokey78
We're not supposed to take to Gitmo, and we're not supposed to send 'em home - I guess we're supposed to buy each of them a nice little split-level in the burbs and pay their way through a vo-tech course.

But I have a better idea - let's send them to London with cab fare to the offices of the Guardian! We can tell them that the Guardian will surely take them in! They are Good and Sophisticated and Not Simplistic At All!

19 posted on 03/11/2002 7:24:23 PM PST by Southern Federalist
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To: doc11355
Did Nostriliits actually say that?!I did not think that twit could actually reason things out.
20 posted on 03/11/2002 7:24:50 PM PST by madrastex
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