Explorer From China Who 'Beat Columbus To America'

The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 3-4-2002 | Elizabeth Grice

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[aruanan]

Explorer From China Who 'Beat Columbus To America'

If you want to populate a new world, it helps not to be a eunuch.

[stuck_in_new_orleans]

Next week, an amateur historian will expound his theory - backed up by charts, ancient artefacts and anthropological research - that when Columbus discovered America in 1492, he was 72 years too late.

According to Menzies, it was Zheng He, in his colossal multi-masted ships stuffed with treasure, silks and porcelain, who made the first circumnavigation of the world, beating the Portuguese navigator Ferdinand Magellan by a century.

Since when is 72 years a century?

Man, they'll let any tard scribble on some paper and call them a reporter

[Leroy S. Mort]

Saw a two hour special on this guy tonight. Even Chinese historians think he's a loon. The show pretty much tore his "theories" apart and he came across pretty weak in "cross examination".

[truth_seeker]

"I believe that Columbus found maps - or at least legends - that came from the Vikings, who reportedly heard the stories from the Irish."

I've read that Columbus deserves great credit for combining politics, business and technology, to reach a goal.

A Modern Manager, of sorts. History proves his discovery made the world different, which none of the other alledged discoveries did.

True enough the Vikings preceeded him, but little came of it, save perhaps maps.

Other explorers contributed knowledge of ocean currents, which went into his calculations for an attempted new route.

He put it all together, complete with national sponsorship and funding.

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[Tribune7]

Instead, according to Gavin Menzies, a former submarine commanding officer who has spent 14 years charting the movements of a Chinese expeditionary fleet between 1421 and 1423, the eunuch admiral, Zheng He, was there first.

Well, if he had balls he would have set up a colony or too and then there would have been no debate.

[Baraonda]

"Explorer From China Who 'Beat Columbus To America'"

The Chinese did not have ships to traverse the oceans 72 years before Columbus discovered the continent, nor did they have the knowledge to do so.

This is a lot of malarky.

[derheimwill]

De Souza wants to re-write a well known era of Chinese history. The emperor's ship's indeed discovered the arabian peninsula and several unimpresive parts of Africa, wherupon they returned to China and reported to the emperor that the rest of the world was not worth exploring. Therupon... the emperor ordered the fleet of the "central kingdom" destroyed.

[SunkenCiv]

Nice graphic showing the ship size.

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[afraidfortherepublic]

Fascinating art.I don’t know why these theories of connection weren’t explored and developed in our curriculm when we were in school. Are they taught today?

[afraidfortherepublic]

Is there an explanation of why he was a eunoch? Did he pose a threat to an emporer. And his crew? Were they all eunochs too? I know that the Chinese imported slaves from Africa in the 1600-1800s (purchased from Arab slave traders) and all of them were made into eunochs before they could be admitted to a Chinese household as a servant. Most of them died before ever leaving Africa as a result of the operation.

[afraidfortherepublic]

Blam: Most of your links do not work. :(

[blam]

"Blam: Most of your links do not work. :(

I only guarantee links for five years...this article is eight years old.(ahem)

[afraidfortherepublic]

I always find your links and pictures interesting and I’m disappointed when they don’t work. :( Jes sayin’.

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I do ya one better — I don’t guarantee links for five minutes. ;’)

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Note: this topic is from 03/04/2002. Thanks blam.

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