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To: Joe Brower; one2many; .38sw; 185JHP; 1FreeAmerican; 1rudeboy; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember...
"We still have yet to hear why the FBI-guy who committed this crime did what he did. We will probably never truly know."

Because he could, Joe.

This crap goes on constantly, but usually they are able to demonize their victims sufficiently to get away with it.

Where is the outrage? - Why, even here on FR, are so many willing to run cover for these thugs?

60 posted on 03/05/2002 8:57:01 AM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: editor-surveyor
Does anyone else here think that this might have something to do with the restructuring of this and other goverment agencies during the last administration?
61 posted on 03/05/2002 9:10:42 AM PST by alaskanfan
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To: editor-surveyor
Because I used to train policemen, and "others" in the use of exotic weapons- as well as the more mundane, I used to fall more on the side of giving LE officers the benefit of the doubt.

But there are just too many incidents like this to that anymore. And too much un-accountability. And the trend seems to be towards more and more incidents like this. It is very bothersome.

65 posted on 03/05/2002 9:17:56 AM PST by backhoe
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To: editor-surveyor
Where is the outrage? - Why, even here on FR, are so many willing to run cover for these thugs

Because the prevalent attitude is becoming "government are good, citizen are bad". If they have a uniform or a government sanctioned gun, they're given a pass now, while we continue to be groped, searched, spied on, interrogated and shot at whim.

But its all right, right? I mean hey, safety before liberty, right brother, right?

Bunch of thugs who try to rule and a bunch of half alive cowards who let them.

66 posted on 03/05/2002 9:20:11 AM PST by Lumberjack
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To: editor-surveyor
Where is the outrage? - Why, even here on FR, are so many willing to run cover for these thugs?

Who's running cover? I just advised that everyone should remember not to do anything stupid or threatening when stopped by the police. I think this case is just absolutely outrageous if everything is as stated, but we don't know much about it yet. I don't think anyone is covering for the FBI.

67 posted on 03/05/2002 9:22:49 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: editor-surveyor
that is an EXCELLENT question. but, i have a better one: is YOUR church federally approved?

for dixie,sw

68 posted on 03/05/2002 9:34:08 AM PST by stand watie
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To: editor-surveyor
Jesus. Thanks for the ping.

Obviously these guys need MORE power: sneak-and-peek, roaming wiretaps and warrants.

69 posted on 03/05/2002 9:37:55 AM PST by Tauzero
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To: editor-surveyor
Why, even here on FR, are so many willing to run cover for these thugs?

Good question. I get the distinct impression that many of the self-appointed apologists for the State will still be in denial as they're walking up the ramps into the cattle-cars.

70 posted on 03/05/2002 9:39:59 AM PST by Joe Brower
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To: editor-surveyor
The only legitimate function of government is to protect individual rights and private property rights. The FBI for the most part provides valuable services in that regard. In instances such as this the best thing the FBI can do for both its name and the citizens is to strongly encourage the Joseph Schultz's immediate family to press charges against the agent that killed Schultz so as to take the mater before the court and impartial jury.

Abiding honest principles begets objective law and just resolutions which should be the rule rather than abide by the rule of authority. Abiding rule-by-authority does not ensure honest justice. Abiding honest principles ensures honest justice.

72 posted on 03/05/2002 9:44:26 AM PST by Zon
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To: editor-surveyor
BTTT!!!!!!!
74 posted on 03/05/2002 9:59:30 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: editor-surveyor
I, for one, am very outraged.

Also, one doesn't have to be black or latino to be a victim of trigger-happy fascism.

76 posted on 03/05/2002 10:20:46 AM PST by Hail Caesar
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To: editor-surveyor
RE:Why, even here on FR, are so many willing to run cover for these thugs?

It's the Kool Aid effect in action.
78 posted on 03/05/2002 10:23:51 AM PST by tomakaze
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He should go to jail and I hope he does.
80 posted on 03/05/2002 10:27:02 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: editor-surveyor
Look, there are rogue cops, rogue CIA and rogue FBI.....aren't there!

Could be a leftover from the previous administration (& we all know who that is!)...

...committed this atrocity to embarrass our current FBI director & President.

Well.....couldn't it!

I'm sick of the piling on here!
....It was a horrible, awful tragedy if the facts are thus as we know them.

But there's an awful lot of knee-jerk anger on this thread!

Whatever happened to .....trust but verify!

93 posted on 03/05/2002 10:53:28 AM PST by Guenevere
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Where is the outrage? - Why, even here on FR, are so many willing to run cover for these thugs?

It may be because it's tantamount to admitting that Libertarians are right about quite a few subjects with respect to the federal government.
95 posted on 03/05/2002 11:00:06 AM PST by Maelstrom
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To: editor-surveyor; Lurker; MarkWar
"...Where is the outrage?.."

Do you really need to ask?

It's in the medicine cabinet; on the psychiatrist's couch; in the conference committee--how many hemorrhoids should Medicare remove at taxpayer expense this year? It's in the boardroom with tiger-maple walls. It's on the couch where a flabby, flaccid, sullen, weak-eyed creature blearily blinks at the passing electrons--desperately clicking away; searching for some remotely human spark. It's buried in a pyramid of stuff composting in the garage--the sum total of the honorable man--"I make my payments on time."

So we're celebrating the 200th anniversary of Victor Hugo's birth. Big deal. He's an unrecognizable white man--a man who would be detested and mocked by most on this "conservative" forum. A fighter. A romantic--The Romantic. A Clown.

"...Listen. Think about what you are doing. One side has 100,000 men, seventeen mobile batteries, 600 cannon in the forts, and enough magazines, arsenals and munitions to fight the Russian campaign. The other side has 120 representatives, 1,000 or 1,200 patriots, 600 rifles, two cartridges a man, not a single drum for a call to arms...nor a single printer to print a declaration....Anyone who moves a cobblestone will be sentenced to death; anyone found in a secret assembly will be sentenced to death; anyone who posts a call to arm will be sentenced to death; if you are captured in combat--death. If you are taken after the fight--deportation or exile. On one side the Army and Crime. On the other a handful of men and Justice. That is the struggle. Do you accept it?

...A unanimous cry went up" "Yes, yes we accept it!"----An onsite transcription by a stenographer of an improvised Hugo speech before the French Assembly in the face of Louis Napoleon's coup d'etat-2 Decembre, 1851

A poet--the artistic blimp that presides over all of 19th century French art--and beyond--would not have understood our pale, fastidious, bloodless, keyboard Pontius Pilateness.

"...Leaving a barricade, one no longer knows what one has seen. One has been ferocious, yet one has no recollection of it. Swept up in a battle of ideas endowed with human faces, one's head has been in the light of the future. There were corpses lying down and phantoms standing up. The hours were colossal--hours of eternity. One has been living in Death. Shadows have passed. What were they? Hands with blood on them. A horrific, deafening din. An atrocious silence. Open mouths shouting; other mouths, also open, but soundless...One seems to have touched the sinister perspiration of unknown depths. There is something red under one's fingernails. One remembers nothing...."

But we are White. We have progressed beyond the open, bloody mouth of death. We send an e-mail to our congresmen.

I don't want to hear about what a clownAl Sharpton is. I don't want to hear eunuchs accusing others of being clowns--OK? Victor Hugo--an uncontested giant in human history would recognise the clownish Reverend more easily than he would his bovine racial brethren here in the Last Remaining Superpower On Earth--cough, cough, wheeze.

Black men have become White Men. White men have become titmice.

"..Catholics, like Communists, have committed great crimes. But at least they have not stood aside...and been indifferent. I would rather have blood on my hands than water, like Pilate....."

Graham Greene, The Comedians

97 posted on 03/05/2002 11:07:56 AM PST by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: editor-surveyor
Oh God! What a heartbreaking story.

Where is the outrage? - Why, even here on FR, are so many willing to run cover for these thugs?

You're absolutely right about that.

104 posted on 03/05/2002 11:43:43 AM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: editor-surveyor
Why, even here on FR, are so many willing to run cover for these thugs?

I'm waiting to hear the other side first. THEN I will decide who I support.

116 posted on 03/05/2002 12:35:13 PM PST by theDentist
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To: editor-surveyor
Thanks for the heads up!
121 posted on 03/05/2002 1:13:03 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: editor-surveyor
Probably in a day or two the reports will be altered to say that the FBI "found" drugs or kiddie porn in the guy's house. Then the apologists will have the cover they need.
137 posted on 03/05/2002 1:47:32 PM PST by alpowolf
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To: editor-surveyor
It was an accident. Don't tar all LEO's for an accident committed by one.
147 posted on 03/05/2002 2:07:25 PM PST by VA Advogado
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