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Man shot in face by FBI in serious condition
Baltimore Sun ^ | March 3, 2002 | Kimberly A.C. Wilson

Posted on 03/03/2002 4:00:57 AM PST by Donald Stone

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:01 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

An Eagle Scout who was mistaken for a bank robber and shot in the face by an FBI agent in Pasadena on Friday remained in serious but stable condition at Maryland Shock Trauma Center last night.

Joseph Charles Schultz, 20, was shot at close range about 6 p.m. Friday when FBI agents searching for a bank robbery suspect pulled over his girlfriend's car.

Schultz, who lives in the 7900 block of Seabreeze Drive in Orchard Beach in Anne Arundel County and works with fiber optics for a local medical company, has no connection to the bank robbery, officials said.


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To: Hail Caesar
I'm waiting for Robert Mueller or the head of the FBI in Maryland,Lynn A. Hunt to make a comment about this agent and this agents supervisor and the conduct of the FBI in this matter.

I think the general public is entitled to an explantion, not from a spokesman, but directly from Mueller or Hunt.

141 posted on 03/03/2002 12:23:41 PM PST by Donald Stone
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To: Boner1
Criminals have won when law enforcement officers are allowed to operate as loose cannons.

The criminals are playing the odds that they'll get a good payoff and not get caught before they have their fun.

The innocent civilian gets to put his life at risk for no reward.

The over reaching officer is put on paid absense or placed at a desk job until the controversy subsides.

It interesting how many car theft chases end with an accident. Put everyone's life at risk over a car and then total out the stolen item in the process. It's not about getting stolen property back to its rightful owner, its about getting the guy in jail. But at what cost?

143 posted on 03/03/2002 12:40:01 PM PST by weegee
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To: Dane
Ah yes.... Dane once again defending everything the gov't does.

Somethings never change...

144 posted on 03/03/2002 12:43:39 PM PST by DAnconia55
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To: Donald Stone
Can you give an example of the corruption that you saw? Thanks, cactmh
145 posted on 03/03/2002 12:50:44 PM PST by cactmh
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To: Donald Stone
This should read FBI agents needing time to engage in fraud and chicanery so they could conjure up lies to conceal criminal conduct by fellow agents scrubbed the crime scene clean of any evidence that would implicate the FBI or it's agents in criminal conduct in a senseless shooting of an innocent man.

I wonder if it was one of the same jokers that got into a drunken brawl in San Diego this week...

These are Clinton's left overs..time to get some professionals and not jerks on a power trip!

146 posted on 03/03/2002 12:55:31 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: cactmh
I have a web site at

Maryland,"A State of Corruption"

That will bring you up to early 1999 when I began to collaborate with two other individuals who were targeted by a Mark Sapperstein & others involving a similiar scheme which Sapperstein and his associates pulled on me.

By mid 1999 these two other individuals had filed a $15 million lawsuit against Mark Sapperstein for alleged fraud.

In early 1998 during the time Mark Sapperstein was being sued for alleged racketeering he and another individual bought controlling interest in a Maryland Bank.

By late 2001 Sapperstein and his associates were forced by the FDIC to sign a cease & desist order concerning their questionable conduct in the operation of this bank.

What makes this so interesting is that in early 1998 Sapperstein had filed an affidavit as a defendant in my Florida RICO that he had never engaged in any business activities in Florida.

Later I would obtain copies of a where a corporation in Sarasota,Florida in late 1997 had paid Mark Sapperstein over $8 million personally for some Maryland cellular tower assets that Sapperstein had obtained thru questionable means.(It was this $8 million that Sapperstein used to purchase controlling interest in this MD. bank)

This corporation in Florida had bundled these assets obtained from Sapperstein into a $325 million IPO.

The company and certain of it's officers have been the subject of an SEC investigation and in the Spring of 2001 this company was the focus of several class action law suits,almost identical scenario as the ENRON case.

The FBI in Maryland & Florida are refusing to investigate claiming I'm only involved in a business dispute with these individuals I sued for alleged racketeering, but at the same time refusing to conduct a legitimate interview with me and refusing to allow me to enter documents into the record.

My position is that the FBI are simply "rolling over" and "laying down"in the presence of white collar organized crime in both Maryland & Florida that is politically well connected to the Maryland Attorney General and the former U.S. Attorney for Maryland, Lynn Battaglia.

In the Spring of 2001 Senator Orrin Hatch was advised that the DOJ was conducting an investigation into the former U.S. Attorney for Maryland, Lynne Battaglia, her Chief of White Collar Crime, Dale Kelberman, and the head of the Maryland State Police, David B. Mitchell for alleged corruption.

Sorry,there is no short answer to your question.

147 posted on 03/03/2002 1:25:47 PM PST by Donald Stone
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To: 2Trievers
I, too, am very discouraged. The immediate prognosis does not look very good for our Constitution and our precious freedoms. When law enforcement officers break the law, violate due process, and abuse weapons the kind of which ordinary citizens are denied, then this sounds to me like more symtoms of a police state - especially if the perpetrator and his superiors get away with this.

I have several friends and family in law enforcement who are about to get another earfull from me and my colleagues regarding this. And this coming from a pro-law and order conservative such as I am.

148 posted on 03/03/2002 2:32:21 PM PST by Hail Caesar
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To: Jonathon Spectre
Any update on this? How is the kid doing?

Any update from the feds regarding how they intend to explain this one away?

149 posted on 03/03/2002 2:38:20 PM PST by Lloyd227
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To: Hail Caesar
The last few weeks, I've been in and out of airports and if you haven't had the "joy" of that experience yourself, you'll never know the feeling of a police state, right under our own noses.

The absurdity of the "protection" of our airports is enough to make your blood boil. Our Constitutional rights are in meltdown on every front.

150 posted on 03/03/2002 3:00:47 PM PST by 2Trievers
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To: Hail Caesar
Thanks for the ping 'cause this post has more information than the one already posted here.

But the guy was 20 years old. Where or what is the Eagle Scout connection? Was he in uniform serving as a Scout Master? I mean, heck, I earned my Eagle Scout 26 years ago and am proud of it, but don't go relating it to various incidents or general events in my life. "Eagle Scout Rockinfreakapotamus arrested for an altercation at a Washington, DC Tyranny Response Team Freedom Rally protest."

151 posted on 03/03/2002 3:20:23 PM PST by RFP
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To: RFP
But the guy was 20 years old. Where or what is the Eagle Scout connection?

Don't know if there is any. That's just what the liberal Baltmore Sun printed in the news article subject of this thread. Maybe THEIR point was somewhat analogous to a rape victim's former status of being a virgin. ;-)

152 posted on 03/03/2002 3:34:27 PM PST by Hail Caesar
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To: Donald Stone; Dane; Alas; toddst; uncbob; bimbo; Don Myers; GroovyGuru; Twodees; Free Vulcan...
was this the Federal agent involved? ;-)

153 posted on 03/03/2002 4:23:39 PM PST by Hail Caesar
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To: Donald Stone
I think it was the Miami Shootout that caused the FBI to change their policy to now carry more sophisticated weapons in the pursuit of bank robbers

IIRC, some agents at the Miami shootout had "more sophisticated weapons," but the weapons were stolen from the agent's vehicle while the agents were in a restaurant gang-banging a waitress.

154 posted on 03/03/2002 4:24:07 PM PST by xsysmgr
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To: Hail Caesar
Oh no! It's worse than we thought. ;-)
155 posted on 03/03/2002 4:42:46 PM PST by Twodees
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To: bimbo
At the very least, Bush MUST remove the residual cadre of Clinton appointees in the Justice Dept. His failure will be a big problem in '04.

Oh yeah. That will help. An entire police establishment that can get away with murder at any time they choose, and it is the responsibility of Clintoon appointees???? Pardon my lack of credulity, but I think the problem is much deeper than a few political hack appointees.

The problem is, that they can kill with impunity. This has been sanctioned by the highest courts of the land. There is nothing that will stop this.

156 posted on 03/03/2002 6:58:39 PM PST by zeugma
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To: CWRWinger
I'm surprised the agents didn't torch the car and its occupants to hide evidence.

You and me both. Then they could say the kids were "transporting bomb making materials" and chalk up another victory in the War on Terrorism.

(The BATF would never leave so much evidence behind.)

"The Raid: New Fiction from the War on Domestic Terrorism"

157 posted on 03/03/2002 7:12:41 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Dane
Hello dane.

A read of this thread pointed you out immediately as the biggest fed boot-licker on this entire board. How much do you get paid to post this apologia for the police state?

Be sure to pass my name along to your handlers. Another hit in my file will make me feel better. You are an enemy of freedom.

If you're not getting paid, then you are certainly being ripped off.

158 posted on 03/03/2002 7:12:57 PM PST by zeugma
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To: xsysmgr
Re the "Miami Shootout": agents also lost eyeglasses and could not see, and another ran away and hid until help arrived, another's pistol slid off the seat and could not be reached when they braked hard behind the robbers.

Keystone Kops, "Famous But Incompetent".

159 posted on 03/03/2002 7:15:38 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: rodeocowboy
Just remeber that we have a newer, better chief law enforcer now, John Ashcroft. The FBI and BATF of the past won't get away with the things they got away with under Janet Reno and Billy Klinton as easily.

hahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaahahahhahahahahahaah

160 posted on 03/03/2002 7:20:34 PM PST by zeugma
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