Turkey : The Turkish Army is reportedly being prepared for creating a crisis in Cyprus

http://www.hri.org/news/cyprus/tcpr/2002/02-03-01.tcpr.html ^ | 02-03-01 | KIBRISLI

[pkpjamestown]

Under the banner front-page title "Media war by the EU against the Turkish Army!", KIBRISLI (1.3.02) reports that the Turkish Ministry of Justice has confiscated the "Idea Politika" magazine because it had written that Turkey is being prepared to create a crisis in Cyprus.

The paper argues that the article of the above-mentioned magazine has been published within the framework of the efforts exerted by the European Union to create "a Turkey where the power of money will rule and everything will be sold and bought like a merchandise". The EU, alleges KIBRISLI, "escalates the media war against the Turkish army which it considers as the biggest obstacle to this".

"According to the magazine", writes the paper, "the Turkish Armed Forces will create a crisis in Cyprus and will be absolutely isolated from the EU".

According to KIBRISLI the EU " is buying off journalists" within the framework of its psychological struggle and the campaign against the Turkish army.

The magazine wrote that Greece and the Greek Cypriots must not be considered as Turkey's enemies. It also argued that the reason for which Turkey wants to join the European Army is the fact that it sees from now that it could come to a conflict with the European Army because of the accession of the Republic of Cyprus to the EU.

[Aric2000]

Crystalk knows NOTHING about the Cyprus issue, I would ignore this person. Ignorance is bliss I guess.

[TheEnd]

First please control your font size, you look a little nervous there

 

I have received a history education where the Ottoman Empire was a plague that came from savage Asian migratory tribes . A plague that hurt Europe "421 years before America was even discovered!" to use your own words ( unfortunately it was more than that though, you were referring to the genocide of Armenians here) .

 

An empire that unlike any other in European history left nothing but deep anger in its former "ruled" territories. Not a trace of culture, not a single notable contribution to art , philosophy, or technology ( not even language, bar some slang related to bribery that was the big Ottoman addition to European values) . 

A backward empire that was not able to 'win' any of its former vassals, but only 'conquer' for a brief period of time.

Former British , Prussian, Hapsburg, or even Russian empire nations are having some good words about their old masters, while any nation that has been under Ottoman ( read Turkish) rule just loathes it. Well maybe except that Osama bin laden , that still regards the Ottoman empire like the 'golden age', and publicly dreams about recreating some of its shine. Keep only that and forgot any history books, and you will get an idea about what "Turkish rule' means.

 

 

Please name a few big Turkish names we would know in literature, painting, music or anything else for that matter.

 

Stealing children from 'ruled' , force them to islam, and turning them into savage ottoman soldiers to fight ( and rape and seize some other kids) their own kind - this was what all the European history books are saying about the Ottoman empire and its 'rule'.

 

Oh, but I forgot that Turkey is not in Europe.

 

 

[Aric2000]

Sorry, but what does that have to do with Turkey, Turkey is NOT the Ottoman Empire. Turkey is Turkey, brought about from the ashes of the Ottoman Empire.

If Turkey is responsible for what the Ottomans did, then the Spanish are responsible for wiping out the Aztecs, what about reparations for them.

The Roman Catholic Church still exists, perhaps they should pay reparations for the Crusades and the death and destruction of France and other countries, that were ordered by the pope.

Perhaps the United States should pay reparations to the Indians, or the Blacks for slavery.

How about the Mexicans pay the Americans for wiping out the Alamo.

Perhaps the Greek Cypriots should owe reparations to the Turk Cypriots for all those that were murdered before and during the Coup of 1974. Perhaps the Greek Cypriots should pay the Turkish Army for having to come in and protect a minority from thier bloodlust.

How far do we take it? Perhaps the Armenians owe reparations to the Turks for killing 518,000 of the Ottoman citizens. How about the English for wiping out the aborigines of Australia, or perhaps Rome owes money for all the people wiped out when the Roman Empire conquered Europe.

It just goes on and on, once you get that train started, you will NOT be able to get it to stop. So, How far do we take it? Every country has some terrible thing in it's past, are you saying that they all should pay reparations to those they murdered? That would be the fair thing to do.

No, the history is the past, all we can do is learn from it, make sure that it doesn't happen again and move on.

So watch what you wish for, you just might get it, and what a mess that would be, let me tell you.

This reparations song is getting VERY old, because as Greece screams reparations, as the Armenians scream reparations, they dwell in the past, and do not concentrate on the future, and things like the Murder of Turkish Cypriots by Greek Cypriots occur.

Remember it, but don't punish those that have come after, WE DIDN'T DO IT, our ancestors did. A pox on your house for 12 generations is not what I would call fair.

The people that did those atrocities are LONG dead, learn from it and MOVE ON!!!

[Mortimer Snavely]

There was an Old Man with a gong,
Who bumped at it all day long;
But they called out, 'O law!
You're a horrid old bore!'
So they smashed that Old Man with a gong.

[eleni121]

You are the ridiculously ignorant one, belly dancer!

Turkey has no place in the West. The west even the present Euro trash mode West is far and away a better, saner, more human place than Turkey could ever be. Turks can whine and cry that they are a western secular state but that is a lie and always will be.

[Mortimer Snavely]

There was an Old Man who said, 'Well!
Will nobody answer this bell?
I have pulled day and night,
Till my hair has grown white,
But nobody answers this bell!'

[eleni121]

I have received a history education where the Ottoman Empire was a plague that came from savage Asian migratory tribes . That is where they came from

A plague that hurt Europe "421 years before America was even discovered!" to use your own words ( unfortunately it was more than that though, you were referring to the genocide of Armenians here) .

An empire that unlike any other in European history left nothing but deep anger in its former "ruled" territories. Not a trace of culture, not a single notable contribution to art , philosophy, or technology ( not even language, bar some slang related to bribery that was the big Ottoman addition to European values).Just destruction and misery...set the conquered back hundreds of years

A backward empire that was not able to 'win' any of its former vassals, but only 'conquer' for a brief period of time.

Former British , Prussian, Hapsburg, or even Russian empire nations are having some good words about their old masters, while any nation that has been under Ottoman ( read Turkish) rule just loathes it. Well maybe except that Osama bin laden , that still regards the Ottoman empire like the 'golden age', and publicly dreams about recreating some of its shine. Keep only that and forgot any history books, and you will get an idea about what "Turkish rule' means.

Please name a few big Turkish names we would know in literature, painting, music or anything else for that matter.Not a soul

Stealing children from 'ruled' , force them to islam, and turning them into savage ottoman soldiers to fight ( and rape and seize some other kids) their own kind - this was what all the European history books are saying about the Ottoman empire and its 'rule'.

Oh, but I forgot that Turkey is not in Europe.

How True!

[eleni121]

It is quite obvious that you are totally ignorant of wht Turks have done everywhere they have gone. No mention of the slaughter of innocent Christians huh buddy? It's always the Turks as victims, not the violent prone hateful Muslim butchers that they are!

When is the Turkish government going to account for the thousands of missing Greek Cypriots who were kidnapped from their homes? When will the Turkish government stop sending over thousands of Turkish anatolians to Cyprus to populate Cyprus while taking over stolen property from the Greek Cypriots?

Listen belly dancer...you are brainwashed so it's up to you to get acquainted with the facts.

[eleni121]

Ho hum I smell the blood of a bore!

[Mortimer Snavely]

There was an old man of Thermopylæ,
Who never did anything properly;
But they said, 'If you choose
To boil eggs in your shoes,
You shall never remain in Thermopylæ.

[Aric2000]

I am aquainted with FACTS, this fantasy you have about me is way beyond anything that I have ever said.

There are 2 sides to every story, I choose to be open minded enough to listen to them both, while you cry VICTIM.

Go cry somewhere else, your close mind is not worth the time NOR the effort. You will get no Sympathy from me, you are a bigot, you do NOT know Turkey, you have obviously NEVER been there. I had the priviledge of working with both civilians and the military, and they may not be as modern as the west, but they are getting there. And they were some of the most civilized and moral people I have ever met. I trusted them with my life, more then a few times.

When you choose to open your mind to BOTH sides, then come back and talk, until then, you are a close minded, ignorant bigot as far as I am concerned. You have proven it with both of those idiotic posts.

[Aric2000]

OK, elinil, since ONLY Turks have done such things, what about the Christian crusades, you think that Muslims have some sort of Monopoly on wiping out those that disagree with them?

You need to get some facts straight as well, no, the Turks ARE NOT lily white innocent BABES in the woods, and I HAVE NEVER EVER said that they are, but the Ottoman Empire IS NOT TURKEY, HELLO!! The Ottoman Empire is DEAD!! No matter how much you would like to ignore it, the people that did those atrocities ARE GONE, BURIED in the ground.

This immature BS, your great grandfather killed my great grandfather, so you owe me money crap is for the birds. Get back to the present, GROW UP!!! Geez, what a bunch of whiney babies you people are.

And I thought the liberal left was good at crying VICTIM!! I'm a VICTIM WAAAAHHHHH, well, YOU WEREN"T THE VICTIM, people of 4-6 generations ago were the VICTIMS, GET OVER IT!!!

[Aric2000]

Now can we get back onto the subject at hand please, I know you just love to attack the Turks whenever you can Elinil, but can you read the article and attempt to make some sort of logical statement that has to do with it?

You're almost as bad as Oxi, who got banned AGAIN, if you hadn't noticed.

[mamelukesabre]

I'm with you on that analysis. I am neither turk nor greek and to me it seems pretty obvious that turkey is the bad guy. As long as they are siding with israel, they are useful to america. THAT is all they are good for.

[eleni121]

What wierdness! Your information is soooo limited it is laughable. You know there are people who travel and really get to experience the truth and then there are those like yourself who are just plain clueless...a babe in the woods who spent a lot of time eating doner and baklava..

There is not much use in trying to eduate you. The only advice for you I have is to really to do a bit of research in the issues involved in Asia Minor and try to look at both sides, not just the ever lovin belly dancers side!

[eleni121]

The Christian Crusades were mostly about reclaiming and rescuing lost territory from the invading barabarian Ottoman Turks or maybe you hadn't heard?

But as I've told you before...just a little bitty research on your part would help. Turks are not just belly dancing and baklava...they are butchers.

[CommiesOut]

Copper schmopper.
Last question in the first post is more important.

[Eternal_Bear]

wars and rumors of wars are spreading. Can't stop the times I guess.

[Turk2]

How have you come to the conclusion that Turkey is the bad guy? Have you any knowledge about Turkish history? Have you ever been to Turkey? Have you ever met a Turk? Ignorance is a dangerous thing.

[Turk2]

The Ottomans weren't around during the Crusades. You are hopeless.