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Cabin owners 'deeply alarmed' by forest plan
The Sacramento Bee ^ | (Published March 1, 2002) | By Evelyn de Ghetaldi and Liz Arnold

Posted on 03/01/2002 9:37:48 AM PST by farmfriend

Edited on 04/12/2004 5:33:32 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The proposed Sierra Nevada framework is regularly characterized as a dispute between pro- and anti-logging interests. However, because the plan would restrict human activity more than any previous forest plan, recreational interests, including cabin owners, would be adversely affected if this framework is upheld. Members of the National Forest Homeowners are deeply alarmed.


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TOPICS: Editorial; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: biofraud; geopolitics; govwatch; landgrab; nwo
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To: BigBobber
I'm familiar with some of these cabins. While some are cute, and no doubt historic, I don't see them as much more than a special priveledge for a select few on our public lands.

Seeing as how it's been going on for close to 100 years, it doesn't seem to be that big an imposition on you. And, seeing as how you, too, could take advantage of it, it's not really a "special priveledge" -- which, BTW, is not free.

And, finally, you'll find that the best stewards of the forests are precisely those folks who have the cabins. They tend to have a good understanding of how best to balance the use and preservation aspects of the forest.

61 posted on 03/03/2002 7:54:13 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Carry_Okie

CO, I found the above searching with "Sherlock 2". There is also an Injection System that purportedly “atomizes” {Reduce to oxygen and hydrogen??} water before ejection. I have heard the discussions on talk radio. If I hear them again, I'll keep this thread in mind. Do a search on Google for "water powered engines". There are quite a few hits. Many that mention that "economies would be destroyed" if such energy became available. Then, too, there is the geothermal idea for energy. I'm just trying to figure out the reason for the sudden "imperative" for this movement of people away from water sources. Is it "just" the time schedule for world governance stepped up? Peace and love, George.

62 posted on 03/03/2002 8:07:52 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: Carry_Okie
Water powered engine

CO, I found the above searching with "Sherlock 2". There is also an Injection System that purportedly “atomizes” {Reduce to oxygen and hydrogen??} water before ejection. I have heard the discussions on talk radio. If I hear them again, I'll keep this thread in mind. Do a search on Google for "water powered engines". There are quite a few hits. Many that mention that "economies would be destroyed" if such energy became available. Then, too, there is the geothermal idea for energy. I'm just trying to figure out the reason for the sudden "imperative" for this movement of people away from water sources. Is it "just" the time schedule for world governance stepped up? Peace and love, George.

63 posted on 03/03/2002 8:09:19 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: r9etb
And, seeing as how you, too, could take advantage of it, it's not really a "special privilege" -- which, BTW, is not free.

Please tell me how I can apply for a new cabin lease. I'd love to have one.

The fact is, there are no new leases. There is a small group of people who had a family member get a lease decades ago. The cabins are great. The people in them are great stewards of the land. But the point is - it's a special privilege because the general public does not have access to it.

It's like the difference between the Washington Monument and the Lincoln Bedroom. Anyone can visit the Washington Monument. Only political fat cats can visit the Lincoln Bedroom. If the Lincoln Bedroom were no longer open to a select few, I wouldn't shed a tear. If the Monument was closed for specious reasons I would be upset.

Similarly, we should focus on closing of roads and areas of the forest that were previously available to the general public.

64 posted on 03/03/2002 8:16:55 AM PST by BigBobber
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To: Monitor
SM, Sorry about the double post. Can you remove #62? Peace and love, George.
65 posted on 03/03/2002 8:20:04 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
George, I want you want you to remember the Second Law of Thermodynamics as I say this. To put enough shear into water to dissociate it requires energy. How much? More than the amount that holds it together. When the O2 and H2 recombine, how much energy do you get? The amount that holds it together.

No free lunch there. Controlling water is about destroying agriculture, stealing farmers' land, and making money in real estate. At least, that's the sale to those who are funding this little gambit. The payback is a bitch, as we both know.

66 posted on 03/03/2002 8:22:41 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: harpseal;Jim Robinson;farmfriend;Phil V.;AuntB;Carry_Okie;Marsh2;Jeff Head;Iconoclast2...
Ever since that fateful "Cows Don't Vote" US Supreme Court decision of 45 years ago, lead by Chief Justice and former CA Governor who was drunk with power and who President Ike said was his biggest mistake in office... Rural Americans are truly a "Powerless People," suffering taxation with no proper geographic (property rights) representation.

Can you imagine a US Senate with only ONE US Senator representing 7 western States? CA Citizens in LA County have access to 13 State Senators, while CA Citizens in 13 Northern CA Counties have only ONE State Senator in Sacramento. The same imbalance is true in every State Senate across this nation, except in NE.

I believe strongly in "One Person, One Vote" and that is what State Assemblies are for. But their is no balancing or proportional representation, for those who own (and used to contol) large tracts of land, in State Legislatures. With State-Wide Ballot Measures that are "Extreme Measures" the "Blue Zones" are exercising the "Tyranny of the Majority" in "Direct Democrazies" such as CA and other western states!

Now we are faced with a situation where "Cows Can't Vote," but Mountain Lions, Red Legged Frogs and even Fairy Shrimp, or worse yet... Short Nosed Sucker Fish CAN vote the remaining landowners and "In-holders" off the land they used to control. The prime purpose for "ownership" of anything, is control!

67 posted on 03/03/2002 8:28:20 AM PST by SierraWasp
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To: Grampa Dave
Fishing is dangerous Grampa, to the fish. You should be spending your time.......... GIVING BACK to the community. You can work in a soup kitchen feeding the homeless, those poor lost souls never had the opportunity to work hard all their lives & retire to a life of luxury & fishing. What are you selfish or something? ;9/ heh heh (scarcastic snicker)
68 posted on 03/03/2002 8:39:50 AM PST by Ditter
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To: farmfriend
Well I am afraid it is here in the Southeast! Several months ago the dear (puke) Charleston Gazette from WV released articles and calling for support to list the George Washington and the Jefferson and the Monongalhia Forests as the last great and most endangered forests there are. Guess you know where that will lead!

Not only am I fighting to keep my home along the New River in WV from the NPS because I "pollute" the view-shed, I and my sister own a hunting camp in the Gorge Washington National Forest.....we own the land and the camp, we don't lease it. But in case anyone should get the wrong idea, we are not the "elite", haha that is a joke if I ever heard one!

But we must all stop this madness! Calls and letters, calls and letters. Plus the public must be made aware of what will happen to their "public use" of these lands once ALL the federal agencies get their way! Anytime one of the colleges in your area are holding seminars, that is a good place to go and help spread the truth!

69 posted on 03/03/2002 8:42:40 AM PST by countrydummy
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To: BigBobber
Cabins come up for sale all the time (not a good investment in the current climate I might add). The problem is that they are not advertised. Realtors don't want to handle them because they are paperwork nightmare being a Mortgage of Chattels. Banks will rarely loan on them. The lease is yearly and revocable at any time with 10 year review. Only those families that didn't go for the new lease structure in the late 70s still have the 99 year lease. If you ask the cabin owners in the area you are interested in, they'll let you know who would like to sale. The word of mouth method is how advertising is done in the tracts. Selling one is not easy as the Forest Service will insist that they be brought up the latest septic standards (remember, most were built in the 20 and 30s). Handing over to a family member simplifies the paperwork. You'll discover the pains of dealing with Green Gestapo real quick in trying to get into one. Check with forest service and see what their rules are before assuming the owners have it easy and are privileged.
70 posted on 03/03/2002 8:45:00 AM PST by Traction
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To: farmfriend; madfly; ratcat; SierraWasp; editor-surveyor
Informative thread; thanks.
71 posted on 03/03/2002 9:16:55 AM PST by MadameAxe
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To: Ditter
When I retired, I volunteered to go once a month to work at the Table to feed the so called homeless.

After about 3 times, I realized out of the so called homeless, only one or two couples were truly needy and need help and some TLC.

A large part of the daily meal (often a gourmet type meal)consumers fell into two groups. The professional homeless who lived at the shelter or under the bridge and made trips out to the food tables and then to the liquor store to buy booze and ciggies.

The second group, I labeled Bozos on Mt. Bikes. This group was the overweight on disability group. They would ride their $500 mountain bikes up to the table for the daily meal, eat, take food home with them.

So I stopped working in front and worked in back not to deal these bozos to feed the one or two needy families. Then the group got worse re behavior. My wife had a patient who quit the Table as a regular when she saw a hand out from Sacramento listing our town and the benefits for the homeless. The Table was one of the benefits.

The cops or someone in Sacramento would give the homeless in Sac. a one way bus ticket to another city, an info sheet on free benies in the new city and $10 to leave town.

The cops had to be called one day to arrest a couple of these friendly new homeless druggies. That was when I decided to quit my once a month time donation.

Now I just catch and release fish!

Now, we give to the Salvation Army, Food for the Poor and the local Food Barrel organization and let them deal with who gets the food or not!

72 posted on 03/03/2002 9:23:23 AM PST by Grampa Dave
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To: ratcat
BTTT
73 posted on 03/03/2002 11:09:58 AM PST by hattend
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To: Carry_Okie
Congress was funding operations from land sales

They also obtain funding from mineral development leases. I don't believe such revenue is more than a token used to assert ownership.

If Congress wished to obtain serious revenue from mineral development, they would open all federal lands to entry and development, and IMHO, they would also license development of outer space resorces. Of course all that would encourage explosive development and growth of the economy, which is apparently not a good thing.

74 posted on 03/03/2002 12:03:58 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
Remember that back in the early 19th Century (the period of which I was speaking) land sales were one of the few major sources of revenue besides tarrifs.
75 posted on 03/03/2002 12:09:07 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
Saw the federal budget for 1800 or so. Amazing. $1 million. Concern was expressed about the explosive increase of the federal budget compared to prior years.
76 posted on 03/03/2002 12:26:17 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
Where was the Supreme Court when the Congress was so busy chucking the Constitution in order to spend money? Paying off the War of 1812 and the Louisiana Purchase?

Indeed, it is amazing.

77 posted on 03/03/2002 12:38:29 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
Tyrants. Every one. Kind of like Daschle.
78 posted on 03/03/2002 12:42:34 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: Ethan_Allen
Bump
79 posted on 03/03/2002 1:23:46 PM PST by Darnright
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To: Darnright
BUMP
80 posted on 03/03/2002 2:40:38 PM PST by madfly
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