Cabin owners 'deeply alarmed' by forest plan

The Sacramento Bee ^ | (Published March 1, 2002) | By Evelyn de Ghetaldi and Liz Arnold

[farmfriend]

The proposed Sierra Nevada framework is regularly characterized as a dispute between pro- and anti-logging interests. However, because the plan would restrict human activity more than any previous forest plan, recreational interests, including cabin owners, would be adversely affected if this framework is upheld. Members of the National Forest Homeowners are deeply alarmed.

[farmfriend]

Aren't environmental rules only for the West???

[editor-surveyor]

"You, too, can live on a leased lot on gummint land."

The true statist point of view.

First, there is no such thing as government land. - The constitution forbids government holding of land, other than military reservations, and the District of Columbia.

The National Forests are totally outside the provisions of the constitution, and at this time violate the unconstitutional statute that created them in the first place.

If you had any knowledge at all, you would realize that these cabins are not in any way substitutes for an apartment. They are located far from jobs, schools, and supermarkets, and most are not suitable for year around habitation.

[hattend]

Watch Prop. 40 pass in the People's Republic of Kalifornia which will only help accellerate moving people out of the forests.

[Carry_Okie]

First, there is no such thing as government land. - The constitution forbids government holding of land, other than military reservations, and the District of Columbia.

Just to clarify, the Constitution does not forbid the governments of the States from holding land. In fact, the equal footing doctrine dictates that the Federal government should have quit-claimed the lands of the territories when they became states. It didn't, in direct violation of the Constitution. Why? Congress was funding operations from land sales.

Congress effectively diluted the citizenship of those states when they did not quit-claim the land. As far as I am concerned, since the adoption 14th Amendmen,t this has been a violation of the equal protection clause.

[harpseal]

I guess they really still believe that bears don't poop or pee in the woods. You could always try pointing out to them with the Ranger stations closed and no more tourist rest facilities the bear will have no where else to go but in the woods but reason and logic have no relationship to these Nazis.

Stay well - Stay safe - stay armed - Yorktown

[snopercod]

It seems that all over the United States rural communities are under siege.

That's a fact. Read Carry_Okie's Book if you want to understand who is behind the siege, why and how they are accomplishing it.

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!

[snopercod]

We have ephemeral streams here in North Carolina, too.

Property Rights Rally - Brevard, NC from Sept. 2000.

[Abundy]

"No human use..."

Right there the plan should be challenged on its constitutionality. WE OWN THIS LAND!

Our tax dollars paid for it, and pay to maintain the parks. The executive branch cannot unilaterally declare it off-limits...the Fifth Amendment takings clause requires that the owners make that decision via the legislative branch.

I truly hate what this country is becoming.

[bmwcyle]

Soon the Boy Scouts will be banded from the woods because they don't want to be there with homosexuals. God Bless American as soon as we get it back.

[backhoe]

The Sierra framework process began in 1992 to protect old-growth forests for the spotted owl, but eventually evolved into an attempt to manage

Yes, the fraud started a long time ago.... all under the matra of "protecting" and "saving"- guess it ought to be indexed:

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[Leisler]

Hey, when you can't hike, hunt, fish, walk, climb, timber, mine, raise cattle or do or even think of doing anything, then what do we need the BLM and Park staff for?

Depopulation and forced migration only occurs in totalitarian states. Here, it is called environmentalism.

[George Frm Br00klyn Park]

"Ephemeral stream" is any trickle of water located anywhere snow is melting and flowing downhill. The proposed language states that human activity is not allowed within 150 feet of an ephemeral stream. Cabins are a human activity, as are camping, hiking, fishing, mountain biking and so on. Almost every cabin in the Sierra is surrounded by melting snow in the spring.

• No human activity could occur within 300 feet of a meadow, stream bank, lake or river.

Guys, The fascist legislation is finally stating the policy maker's actual "reasoning{?}" in the language of the bills DESIGNED to move people away from WATER sources that cannot be controlled. WHY???? Is it actually possible that the "water engines" I've heard about over the last few years might actually work? ENERGY in small safe units available to the masses would DEVASTATE the plans of those who would control all. WHY the sudden escalation of "rural cleansing"?? Peace and love, George.

[George Frm Br00klyn Park]

"ENERGY in small safe units available to the masses would DEVESTATE the plans of those who would control all. WHY the sudden escalation of "rural cleansing"??"

ALL, The skeptics might consider the freedom that the internal combustion engine along with Henry Ford's assembly line for the automobile, and "cheap" gasoline gave to the masses, and the visceral hatred of the automobile by Al Gore and his band of "environmentalists". Peace and love, George.

[Carry_Okie]

Is it actually possible that the "water engines" I've heard about over the last few years might actually work?

OK George, you know the "rules":) Source please.

[mafree]

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[George Frm Br00klyn Park]

"OK George, you know the "rules":) Source please."

CO, I'll see what I can do. Peace and love, George.

[madfly]

Again we see The Nature Conservancy's Connection

TNC dot ORG's Press Release

The Nature Conservancy and USDA Forest Service Join Forces on Innovative Conservation Partnership

Conservancy and  Forest Service to Expand Projects Aimed at Habitat and Watershed Restoration, Fire Management, and Combating Invasive Species

WASHINGTON, D.C. — November 16, 2001 — The Nature Conservancy and U.S. Forest Service today have signed a five-year Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) aimed at enhancing cooperative partnerships and projects to inventory, monitor, protect and restore forest, grassland and aquatic habitat for fish, wildlife and plant resources in the United States and abroad.

Dale Bosworth, Chief of the Forest Service, and Steve McCormick, President of The Nature Conservancy signed the MOU at the Conservancy’s worldwide office in Arlington, Virginia.  Under the agreement, the Forest Service and Conservancy will continue and expand cooperative efforts between the two organizations to restore and maintain healthy forest and grassland-based ecosystems; use prescribed burning as a conservation tool to protect ecosystems, watersheds, and communities; partner in efforts to combat the spread of harmful aquatic and terrestrial invasive species, and work jointly to protect habitat for migratory bird species.

“The Nature Conservancy has long enjoyed an outstanding working relationship with our colleagues at the Forest Service, and I am confident that this agreement will move our partnership to a new level,” said McCormick.  “I salute Forest Service chief Dale Bosworth for his leadership and for his willingness to work with partners like the Conservancy to achieve conservation progress on landscape-wide scales.” 

Forest Service Chief Boswroth said, “The Nature Conservancy plays a critical role in facilitating the conservation of natural resources not only in the United States, but also around the world.  Partnerships with conservation leaders like TNC are key to helping the Forest Service fulfill its natural resource legacy by working in a collaborative manner with all those who use and care about these precious resources."

Under the terms of the agreement, The Nature Conservancy and the Forest Service agree to cooperate on the following:

• Inventory, assessments, surveys, and data management for biological diversity, wildlife, fish and plant resource information.
• Land-ownership adjustments or consolidations including land acquisition, donations and land exchanges.
• Terrestrial and aquatic habitat improvement, restoration, maintenance, or conservation, including the habitats of migratory birds.
• Mitigation, restoration and rehabilitation activities.
• Assistance to and partnerships with foreign, state and tribal governments, private landowners, communities, and other non-governmental organizations.
• Demonstration of innovative management practices, including those that facilitate  conservation of forests, parks, watersheds and protected areas; prevention and control of invasive species, use of prescribed fire, sustainable forestry, grazing, recreation use, and eco-tourism.
• Community-based outreach, training, education and partnerships.

McCormick said that the wide scope of the agreement fits well with Conservation By Design, The Nature Conservancy’s systematic, science-based approach to identifying sites and landscapes for conservation action. 

“We’ve learned that in order to really preserve the plants, animals and natural communities that represent the diversity of life on Earth, you can’t just manage a number of nature preserves,” McCormick said.  “You have to reach out and partner with organizations like the Forest Service that share your interest in achieving ecosystem wide conservation progress.   And you must do so in a way that respects people on the ground and their livelihoods.[emphasis mine]

McCormick said, “The Forest Service has similarly embraced a balanced approach of ‘caring for the land and serving people.’  Because of these shared values, the partnership between The Nature Conservancy’s oak leaf symbol and the Forest Service’s pine tree shield has tremendous potential in the years ahead.”

[WIMom]

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